OT: To PSU Admin lurkers regarding the "mysterious" 10 year drought in athletics fundraising
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In the name of truth and integrity.
Damn fvcking right!
Private apology for public humiliation...sounds right
Since Graham Spanier was ousted, PSU academic standing/ranking has fallen...once we were described as a Public Ivy...haven't seen nor heard that reference in many years.
Only 9 of the 36 voting members are elected. And over the past decade, they have been largely marginalized by the OG/NGBOT.
While I greatly respect that the Paterno family, led by Sue, has made their amends with PSU, I still doubt they have any use for the BOT members who threw Joe under the bus unnecessarily and violently. They knew better. They knew who he was and what he meant to the school and its alumni and fans. They threw away the greatest athletic-based goodwill asset any school has ever had, for no reason other than their own short-sighted incompetence. They ignored the alumni then, they have continued to, so now it goes beyond following Sue's wonderfully gracious example, and it comes back to them making it personal for 100s of thousands of PSU alumni and fans. They created the "it's personal" issue, they can fix it, and they should never expect some of us to take the first 500 steps to their 1, as they imply with such strawman arguments as stated above.
Just my opinion.
Maybe they have. But read the thread. The issue is much more broad and deeper
I honestly don’t know what Joe would want but am fairly certain one of his last requests in life was to find the truth. Not support the team/PSU or preserve his legacy. The truth, that’s all I want. Not a statue or to name something after him but the unedited, unbiased truth. Tom Corbett’s role, the second mile, freeh, the bot, joe, old main, all of it good and bad. And if it makes people look bad, including joe, so be it. Until we know the truth there will be no healing imo.
Fair enough. Do you really think 100s of thousands of PSU alumni and fans are angry? I’m not sure that’s the case. Just my opinion. Otherwise our stadium and campus would be empty. It is alive and thriving.
Look, I am asking questions for my own knowledge and trying to understand some of the points being made by you and others. I’m not trying to argue. That is sometimes hard to convey through text/e-mail, etc. I truly am trying to ask questions, and have a civil conversation. I appreciate your perspective and the perspective/opinion of others. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I also will never tell anyone what to do with their money. It’s yours, do with it as you wish. While I appreciate and agree with many of the opinions stated, I don’t wholeheartedly agree with everything 100%. I don’t feel the need (as an alumnus) for an apology. I also don’t feel the need to die on a hill for a statue , field renaming, etc. It seems irrelevant and materialistic to me. My time could be spent on more important things. What Joe accomplished both on the field and off, is alive and well with those of us that witnessed it, and even more so by those that lived it. He was a tremendous ambassador for the school. That will never be replaced, although, I do think while Franklin has his faults, he holds his players and staff to a very high standard and accountability. I applaud him for that. I wake up everyday thankful for my Penn State education and my experience there. It provided me opportunities that I would have never had otherwise. I am the first college graduate in my family. Penn State allowed me to make a living without killing my body in the process like my parents and grandparents had to do at blue collar jobs. They insisted I go to college and not follow that path and now I understand why. I appreciate the life PSU gave me a chance to have and provide for my family. As an alumni and father of a soon to be freshman, I am still supporting the school for those reasons. I also lost my best friend (and alumnus) way too early back around the holidays. It reinforced with me that life is too short. I simply don’t have the time or interest in holding grudges. I have to move forward for myself and others while still appreciating the past. I hope you all get some sort of closure from everything. Unfortunately, I feel like even if an apology of some form comes to fruition at some point, it still won’t satisfy some and that is unfortunate. Have a great weekend fellas, I truly wish that. WE ARE….
“Believe deep down in your heart that you are destined to do great things” JVP
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I think it is well past time where we can hold specific people responsible, unless they are still in office, but I doubt there is a strong enough movement that could drive them out.
But look at the University as an institution. Just over ten years ago it changed course. It would no longer honor the significant contributions the leadership that one man made. They sacrificed him in order to get themselves out of a media created circus and save their own asses. They spent millions hiring Clinton's former smear artist, Lanny Davis, and Louis (you show me the man I'll show you the crime) Freeh. Their sole job, at the direction of the BOT, was to deflect blame on those that are no longer in the University.
You can have a ten fold turnover in presidents, BOT members, etc. but that same institutional change, made a decade ago, is still there. By not condemning it, openly stating the University's course of action was wrong, and taking action to make things right.
We have Dambly and Masser on Penn State Health board, controlling the PSU cash cow….
Not to argue, as I appreciate your heartfelt post, but I did not say that 100s of thousands of alumni and fans are angry, I said they OGBOT made it personal to 100s of thousands of alumni and fans. That angered a large number of people, and others didn't bother to really understand the absurdity of that statement and were not angry.
Filling the stadium is a separate discussion. Some folks have given up their NLC donations and tickets, but the large majority, such as me, have not. Of the many loyal psu fans I personally know who continue to donate and attend games, nearly all are still angry over Joe's treatment. Certainty a few are not, yet I cannot think of anyone who feels the OGBOT actions were justified. And the people I know who were caught up in it, either directly or indirectly (such as being part of the NCAA interrogation), declare without hesitation that the school's targeted and predetermined "investigation" was a complete farce.
I'm part of the problem in that I continue to make a significant (for me) NLC contribution and purchase season tickets. So I'm not adding to the necessary incentive for them to hear what I'm saying. However, I give nothing to certain other areas of the school where I used to, and that won't change until... you know the rest.
He did say on his death bed to find out the truth. And at another time to "not trust Old Main"
The truth, a laudable, but elusive goal. For it to be found either Magic Mike, or Curley and Schultz would have to admit they lied (I have my own belief as to whom, but I'm intentionally being an agnostic on this). Never happen.
Do you mean deer baiting, golf cheating, dick pic Mike? Yeah, a real upstanding guy who can be trusted with telling the truth.
You have a point. Would anyone believe Magic Mike if he changed his story?
Fair enough.....yes i KNOW 100's of thousands feel this way...thru my involvement with PSU Alumni Chapters...but like everything else many just feel NOTHING will ever be done and focus on other endeavors. The majority of people have a very laissez faire attitude...and just won't get involved....but will cheer on those that champion the topics they feel strongly about. There are many possible reasons for the decrease in gifting and donations...maybe people are upset about a female AD....maybe they are upset with the treatment of the B1G...maybe someone they know wasn't admitted to University Park as a freshman...maybe people are upset Penn State doesn't utilize Pink and Black or alternate uniforms enough....maybe people feel the school doesn't care about them anymore, the ideals, morals, values from when they became part of "Dear Old State"....and feel it is just time to move on. Whatever the reason, it must be something significant to cause such a major change .
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If people had issues with the AD being a female then we have bigger problems than even I thought. It isn’t the 1950’s.
I only had a problem with her doing a ****** job, especially fund raising. She got way way way more out of Penn State than Penn State got out of her.
That’s fine and perfectly acceptable. But ChandlerPearce suggested people may have had a problem with the fact that she was female. Since, he KNOWS (his words, not mine) a lot due to his involvement in the alumni chapters then some must have told him as much. If that is true, then we have some really mind numbing chauvinistic alumni out there? I’m sure it’s just a misunderstanding. Did I do that right Bob?
I agree with your comments. We have folks in our fan base that are more than or worse than just chauvinists unfortunately.
Fer sure. Don't see why that comes as a surprise to anyone.
there seems to be a dichotomy here..on the one hand people say that by not donating people are hurting the program. On the other side some have posted that we've had 4 11 win seasons won bowl games, etc. Somehow, even with the dearth of donations, the athletic department comes up with the money needed to keep things humming. If they have to cut sports to keep other programs going, so be it. They should have thought about that before. But as I already posted, our leaders thought that the alumni and fans would just march lock-step in tune with the board decisions.
The powers that be have to be smart enough to recognize that statements made by erickson and board members about the alumni and the culture problem hit a nerve, and not in a nice way. If they want to turn the scenario around they have multiple ways to do it....they weren't bashful about hiring lanny davis as a consultant to throw the university under the bus, hire one to reverse that.
Personally, sine the university identified me as part of the problem, I no longer donate and I gave up football tickets.
OMG.....i expressed that people stopped gifting for that? I thought it was obvious that was ridiculous just as every other reason EXCEPT PSU's treatment of Joe. Oy Vey.
WOW......okay.....you are all knowing....how you cannot realize a farce is not my fault. It should have been intuitively obvious that was not a reason...just a made up cause so ridiculous NO ONE could mistake it.
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Pretty startling numbers. For some reason, I thought I had read ( multiple times in recent years on here ) that fund-raising was going well. Guess everyone is happy the way things are.
Good point. And, yep, won't happen.
I know both Curley and Schultz. I know a number of people who know McQ.
I also have my own very firm belief as to who ultimately lied about what was reported.
Curley and Schultz are as good of people as one could possibly know.
The BOT did more damage to fundraising when they failed their fiduciary responsibility and fired the one man who was the one of the major reasons people gave.
Penn State paid out millions in settlements without any vetting process. Why would I contribute to an organization who has demonstrated no fiscal responsibility.
Perhaps the more direct way, and productive way, is to donate to the NIL. Dollars given for the right people to support.
This shows how little you actually know about the BOT.
The only money they will get from me will be the tickets and refreshments I purchase at the one game I go to this fall. In all your responses, you continually show us how little you know of the entire situation. Congrats on your ignorance.
Spot on. Not sure I’ve ever seen Franklion involved in any local charities beyond rare cameo’s. It’s always the same from him. Give me, give me, give me…
Regarding the name of this thread -- is there reason to believe that "PSU admin lurkers" read posts here?
Like BobPSU92 most eloquently stated
"You seem to forget, perhaps conveniently, that Penn State’s “leaders” in 2011 and 2012 blamed us, alumni and fans, for contributing to the faux culture problem. Penn State’s “leaders” since then have done nothing to make amends."
You will never fully understand the current situation until you grasp the fact that we were held culpable in creating a "god" and worshiping him which created the culture of football rules. That's what "Louie, Louie, Lou Liar" Freeh said. And the BOT accepted!
"You seem to forget, perhaps conveniently, that Penn State’s “leaders” in 2011 and 2012 blamed us, alumni and fans, for contributing to the faux culture problem. Penn State’s “leaders” since then have done nothing to make amends."
You will never fully understand the current situation until you grasp the fact that we were held culpable in creating a "god" and worshiping him which created the culture of football rules. That's what "Louie, Louie, Lou Liar" Freeh said. And the BOT accepted!
In fairness, that false dichotomy was actually posed by a different set of posters.There is nothing about the subject matter of this thread that is remotely anti-Franklin.LOL, somehow people turn this crap into a Franklin bashing thread.
In fact, the opposite is true. My OP suggestion was posed as a means to get more money for the current athletic department.
It's par for the course for a few. No coach ever will replace Joe for them, nobody is good enough. It's cute and sad all at the same time. I don't understand the hate for either one, but it was only a matter of time before the same slugs came out.
My comment holds true, even if not related to Sandy. Sadly we have some cringy people that work at Penn State and or are fans/supporters of Penn State.
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