Pretty sure Casey was never held out. Case of Joe exercising some courage and doing his homework.
OT: To PSU Admin lurkers regarding the "mysterious" 10 year drought in athletics fundraising
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Soooo . . . removing the plaques of the AA players from the wall was a great move by the BOT, HV!? The players were like 12 years old during the scandal.
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The rumor at the time was that they threatened Joe's pension if he went ahead and spoke anyway. Does anyone know if that was true?Joe Paterno Press Conference Cancelled: PSU Officials Drop the Ball Yet Again
Apparently everything that occurred from ‘66 to ‘11 according to the University.
And you believe something like this being made public would or would not open the news cycle again and PSU would be in a better or worse position going forward?
You seem to have great difficulty separating multiple concepts. This is not about not supporting the football team, it IS about NOT supporting a corrupt BOT and it’s boot lickers, of which you might be one.
So what are you afraid of.....*** wipes calling you a "ped state" grad or fan? No one has ever used words like that to those of us who have attended games away from Beaver LOL. It's not about changing the perception of others. The Ship of Fools made sure that was the permanent narrative. It's about doing the right thing for Sue, Joe and everyone who they **** on in a sloppy effort to protect their own asses and enrich their corporate interests.
The question was what amends would be needed for me to resume annual contributions.....not what might happen in the media.
If you want to honor Joe,
at Gate B there is a plaque titled:
IN HONOR OF JOE PATERNO’S COACHING CAREER
It is made to look like bricks and there are blank ones.
at Gate B there is a plaque titled:
IN HONOR OF JOE PATERNO’S COACHING CAREER
It is made to look like bricks and there are blank ones.
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Good question, snark aside.
My guess is a call to the NLC asking how to honor him via a brick in that location would give the answer one way or another.
Minimum donation level?
Not open for further donations?
Don't know, but may be worth finding out.
Hard to imagine they would turn down a donation.
Alternative - donate to the Paterno Fellows Program, in support of a worthy student.
I'm sorry Bob. I haven't donated to the university in 11 years. This . . . I'm interested in. Do you have a link? I'd probably give more $$$ than they're asking.
Well, there are consequences for those decisions. If the board wants alumni money then they need to reconsider their decisions. Very simple.
Here’s an idea. Go push the administration to go after the $60 million the B10 stole from PSU.
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I don't without looking it up. I don't even know if that is still open for donations. It's been there for many years.
I think a call to the NLC is the right first step to find out what's what.
1-800-NITTANY, I believe.
The ncaa originally wanted to funnel it around the country. Ridiculous.
There's still the lost shared bowl revenue .... isn't there?
Well, this conversation is eye opening and disappointing all at the same time. Clearly, 12 years later, the wounds are still deep for many. This also shows how divided we are as an alumni/fan base, which is very unfortunate and isn’t conducive to moving forward. For me, I truly am down the middle. I am disappointed, yes, by how the Sandusky fiasco was handled on numerous levels. From an individual level to the school’s response, to the state/governor’s office level, it was a complete mismanagement. People who probably deserve more blame got away with little to none and, unfortunately, those who took the most public scrutiny, deserved the benefit of the doubt a little more than they got. The fact remains though that it was 12 years ago and, at this point, nothing is going to change what happened. It’s yesterday’s news. I admired Joe for his steadfast commitment to making the young men he coached better people, not just better players(although he was excellent at the latter as well). I also admired his commitment to the academic world through his generosity. I didn’t know Coach Paterno personally, but if you believe him at his word, he never wanted the statue, the field to be named after him, or any of the limelight to be on him. Therefore, you will never hear me advocate for that.
I would ask, at this point, how many of the BOT members that were there in 2011 remain? We know that there aren’t any remaining athletic department members still there. The administration has turned over several times also, no? It has been a complete turnover. In some instances, several times since 2011. Certainly, the student athletes are not culpable, nor were they ever, so we can’t hold the individuals currently there accountable. Therefore, at this point, holding back support from the university or athletic department hurts who? Who is the message supposed to get to?
I would ask, at this point, how many of the BOT members that were there in 2011 remain? We know that there aren’t any remaining athletic department members still there. The administration has turned over several times also, no? It has been a complete turnover. In some instances, several times since 2011. Certainly, the student athletes are not culpable, nor were they ever, so we can’t hold the individuals currently there accountable. Therefore, at this point, holding back support from the university or athletic department hurts who? Who is the message supposed to get to?
I find it interesting with PSU's penchant for donations that an opportunity like this has never been publicized....well i have never heard of it. Anyway....most of my involvement now goes into our local Alumni Chapter as we raise money to award 4 scholarships to students from the Augusta area that are attending PSU.
Exactly, it’s not about the team, it is the University leadership. No matter how great Franklin and the team are, there remains a strong possibility the BOT will railroad and destroy Franklin as they did Paterno. People aren’t going to invest knowing that possibility is still there. Not until the BOT fully corrects the mistakes it made.
Honest question out of ignorance on my part. How many BOT members from 2011 remain a BOT member currently?
Not sure, but turnover of the BOT doesn’t excuse past wrongs of the University, and corrections need to be in the form of actions, not platitudes.
Ok. So who at the University is the resentment directed at? The University president has turned over multiple times since 2011. The AD has also and the BOT could be a completely different group of people? By holding people accountable for something that some perceive as a wrong and that they may have had nothing to do with, aren’t we doing the same thing to them and the student body that we may be upset about? I’m just trying to understand how the message is effective and whom it should be directed at specifically? I don’t think any of us routinely apologize for things other people do, so should we expect that from others? What specific “actions” are you looking for?
Does the current BOT disagree with their predecessors? If so, there are a myriad of positive steps they can take. Reject the Freeh Report....plan a day and honor Sue ....just for openers. Their refusal to take action lends the appearance that they are fine with past decisions...or the strings are still being pulled by members of the OGBOT.
Other than the Alumni-elected 9, the OGBOT basically replaced themselves with people who would vote as they would, hold steadfast on the "no apologies to JVP et. al.", etc. approach as they were (ahem) encouraged to do by their appointers. (It is gratifying to hear they did apologize to Spanier, according to Spanier, but that was not made public otherwise. I also suspect that the reconciliation with Sue and the Paterno family may have had a private apology involved, but that is just conjecture on my part).
The OGBOT replaced themselves with carbon copies, little Mini-Mes, voting as a block without any apparent independent thought. The fact that Dambly of all people is still prominent on the BOT lets us all know that the "New Guard" BOT is just the same BOT, different day, than the OGBOT.
Therefore, the argument that it is a new Admin/BOT bringing in a new day holds little water with me. While I have hopes for Neeli and Pat to move the needle in the preferred direction, I don't know how far the BOT will allow their efforts to go without them shutting it down far short of the correct mark. I think they are aware of the fund-raising barrier that was built before their time, and of the lack of effort to take down that barrier, and now it's in their laps to figure it out. The easiest, most practical solution has not be allowed by the NGBOT, and the passage of time has not changed their approach to it.
If I am to be asked to get over it, then I expect they, too, can get over it - especially when they created "IT" - and get a lot closer to a compromise where many of my/our terms and conditions are actually acted on. Then I may resume donating to other PSU areas than NLC/Athletics, Blue Band, and THON.
Until then, no.
So, let me ask this, aren’t there some pro Paterno members who were voted onto the board since 2011? Ask them those questions? Press them on your concerns. Hasn’t Sue made amends with the university? Wasn’t she in a luxury suite with the new president at one of the games this past season? Is Jay promoting the sentiment some here have? He’s on the BOT, right? He seems to be moving forward with the task at hand, no? Just as we would assume his father would want him to? If the Paterno family isn’t pressing the issue here or has privately made amends with it, why the need for a public apology? Is the concern for the Paterno family’s legacy or just for ourselves?
If someone believes that Joe Paterno is owed an apology or recognition for his contributions to PSU, then the current administration has fallen woefully short.
IIRC, Spanier said that some high up at PSU told him that he was mistreated and apologized, but that same person told him that none of that woould be stated publicly. if that's true, and I have my reservations about its veracity, that's all you need to know.
For those who aren't aware....PSU - BOT is comprised of 38 members...36 have voting power.
3 ex-officio state secretaries (Secretary of Education, Ag and Conservation, and Natural Resources)
2 non-voting officio (Governor and University President)
6 appointed by Governor
9 elected by Alumni
6 elected by Ag organization
6 elected by Business and Industry
1 elected by Board representing Student Body
1 elected by Board representing Faculty
1 elected by Board representing Alumni Assosciation
3 elected by Board Members at Large
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Total 38 members / 36 voting
Easy to see how Board can be manipulated
For argument sake...i feel 3 ex-officio OUT...6 Governor appointees decrease to 2....6 Ag down to 2....6 B&I down to 2....3 at Large down to 1. This change would give greater voice to Alumni and reduce power of OGBOT to have complete control.
And how do we know the Paterno family didn’t receive a private apology and agreed to keep the terms of the conversation private?
The number doesn't matter. I'm sorry, you probably think your point/stance is relevant, but it's not. The current BOT is in charge now and can do what they want. Brandon Short has been running around telling people the current board knows its current actions are affecting donations. I reiterate, in what business model is it ever a good idea to piss off the paying customers? You can complain its the customers' fault, but you're just ignoring/pretending the real problem.
Whether they did or did not is irrelevant. Sorry, it just is. The Paterno's aren't the pissed off customers.
Sue won't go public and Jay has little clout ...as do the alumni reps in general. I think either you are niave or being disingenuous to suggest that the alumni reps can move the BOT in this matter. Lubrano has been jousting with those windmills for a decade.
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