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and Negativity annoys you....why engage?

Because people who are so certain in their opinions that they feel the need to makes posts like this also annoy me.
You generally don't offer reasons other peoples opinions are "stupid" as you like to say. You most often just say they aren't allowed to have the opinion because they never coached football. Which of course, you coached football once, so you are allowed to have your opinions but others can't have theirs. It just gets a little old after awhile.
 

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Dating back to when Clifford made his announcement of sticking around for another year, I complained on this board about having to watch this same offense again. I was fully on board with throwing Allar into the fire right away. Quite frankly, after being through two subpar seasons in a row with Cliff, I had enough.

But - I'm here to say I WAS WRONG about that. I'm glad he came back. I'm glad he played well. I'm glad we went 11-2 and won the Rose Bowl. Thanks, Sean Clifford, for proving me wrong!
You are a bigger man than most who frequent here.
 
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Because people who are so certain in their opinions that they feel the need to makes posts like this also annoy me.
You generally don't offer reasons other peoples opinions are "stupid" as you like to say. You most often just say they aren't allowed to have the opinion because they never coached football. Which of course, you coached football once, so you are allowed to have your opinions but others can't have theirs. It just gets a little old after awhile.
This is your interpretation. Perhaps it is tied to your lack of self confidence?
 

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Where are all the true blue PSU fans who wanted to tank the season and play Allar? 11 wins. LOL
I did think we’d be 8-4 at best, vastly due to O-line doubts. Glad I was waaay wrong, in the right direction
 

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This is what is so annoying about this guy. As if he knows more about football than everyone else on here and if anyone dare question any of the coaches decisions (on a fricken messageboard) they are idiots.

Then he waits for one of Cliffords best ever games for a childish "I told you so" post.

I agree those who would ever boo Clifford are gross. But the idea that no one on here is allowed to criticize the coach staff (again, on a college football messageboard) because they never coached high school football is so beyond silly. My gym teacher was my high school football coach, it doesn't take a rocket scientists. At least my college coaches were decent.

The season is over, it was what it was and I am glad Clifford went out with a bang. But honestly, it felt like the Hackenburg years. Like we were being held hostage, sorry but I don't know any other way to put it. That is a valid opinion regardless of whether I coached High school football or not. He was never going to win us a national championship, which is, you know, the point of the game. That is 100% fact and it isn't wrong to have been frustrated by the fact we were never going to win one with him. I can also be a fan of his and hope he plays an amazing game every time, those things aren't exclusive.

But yay, you coach high school football. You are so smart!
In reference to my Childish "I told you so" post in reference to Clifford.....be honest now......no one would have ripped him a new ******* if he threw 2 interceptions and PSU lost? If they destroyed him here, would you have labeled them "childish?"
 

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I did think we’d be 8-4 at best, vastly due to O-line doubts. Glad I was waaay wrong, in the right direction
In fairness, I thought 8-4 was a good bounce back and 9-3 was possible. I think what needs to be acknowledged is that a few demons were exorcised this season. No losing streak after a big loss. Not just defeating teams you should....not stumbling once (not easy) but decisive victories Indy, Rutgers. MSU, Maryland and even vs 8th ranked Utah. I'm always wary and that game was on ice early. I mean, the bench was on the field for Utah final drive.
 

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This is your interpretation. Perhaps it is tied to your lack of self confidence?

I am confident in my football knowledge. I have been watching for over 35 years, I played division one college.
Which is where my opinion that most high school coaches are glorified gym teachers who just want some overtime pay.
The gap between a HS coach and a college coach is as big as Valles Marineris.

I also happen to think there is a fallacy in the very idea of your post. You are saying "I told you so" after Clifford had a great game. There is no doubt that he is a warrior and a soldier and a true Penn Stater. But in the end, people were frustrated that he was never going to be good enough to win us a National Championship. And ya know what, they were right. Perhaps it is wrong of them, and wrong of me, but every single year, I go into the season hoping to compete for a National Championship. I am a generally positive person and I can't see how anyone else would not want the same, irrational or not.

Your "I told you so" could easily be flipped the other way around. Just because it was obvious that Clifford wasn't the one to win us a Championship doesn't mean I disliked the kid or I hated him or wanted him to fail. I wanted him to prove me wrong with all my heart, and unfortunately he didn't. We finished with a great year and he was a great quarterback, but neither was elite. And I was told that I should expect elite. BTW, I am not saying Allar should have been playing, but for those who are, I don't really have a problem with it.

He had a great game and won the Rose Bowl. It is something to be proud of and the future is very bright for this team.
But here you are, kicking the nest for no reasons but to try to make yourself feel good.
 
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I am confident in my football knowledge. I have been watching for over 35 years, I played division one college.
Which is where my opinion that most high school coaches are glorified gym teachers who just want some overtime pay.
The gap between a HS coach and a college coach is as big as Valles Marineris.

I also happen to think there is a fallacy in the very idea of your post. You are saying "I told you so" after Clifford had a great game. There is no doubt that he is a warrior and a soldier and a true Penn Stater. But in the end, people were frustrated that he was never going to be good enough to win us a National Championship. And ya know what, they were right. Perhaps it is wrong of them, and wrong of me, but every single year, I go into the season hoping to compete for a National Championship. I am a generally positive person and I can't see how anyone else would not want the same, irrational or not.

Your "I told you so" could easily be flipped the other way around. Just because it was obvious that Clifford wasn't the one to win us a Championship doesn't mean I disliked the kid or I hated him or wanted him to fail. I wanted him to prove me wrong with all my heart, and unfortunately he didn't. We finished with a great year and he was a great quarterback, but neither was elite. And I was told that I should expect elite. BTW, I am not saying Allar should have been playing, but for those who are, I don't really have a problem with it.

He had a great game and won the Rose Bowl. It is something to be proud of and the future is very bright for this team.
But here you are, kicking the nest for no reasons but to try to make yourself feel good.
You couldn't be more wrong. I'm sorry you had a terrible high school coach. I had a great one. Joe Sarra. He was good enough to coach for Joe Paterno for 15 years.
A good high school coach has a greater opportunity to mold lives of young student athletes. The number one goal should never be to send a few select kids to D1.
Football (as we were reminded Monday eve) is a sport that brings considerable physical risk. A high school coach has a moral obligation to impart lessons that can be applied in life.
Unfortunately, winning is important to the degree that a coach needs to win enough, in order to stick around long enough, to teach.
In other words, winning gives a coach credibility.....he then needs to use that as currency to motivate his young athletes to lead an exemplary life.
When my wife was dying, Coach Sarra (who was in a nursing home) would call me to see how I was holding up. I was 58 years old. He coached players at PSU that won a National Championship.....yet he never forgot me. That's what a coach should be. That's what I tried to live up to.
 

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You couldn't be more wrong. I'm sorry you had a terrible high school coach. I had a great one. Joe Sarra. He was good enough to coach for Joe Paterno for 15 years.
A good high school coach has a greater opportunity to mold lives of young student athletes. The number one goal should never be to send a few select kids to D1.
Football (as we were reminded Monday eve) is a sport that brings considerable physical risk. A high school coach has a moral obligation to impart lessons that can be applied in life.
Unfortunately, winning is important to the degree that a coach needs to win enough, in order to stick around long enough, to teach.
In other words, winning gives a coach credibility.....he then needs to use that as currency to motivate his young athletes to lead an exemplary life.
When my wife was dying, Coach Sarra (who was in a nursing home) would call me to see how I was holding up. I was 58 years old. He coached players at PSU that won a National Championship.....yet he never forgot me. That's what a coach should be. That's what I tried to live up to.

You are not Joe Sarra.
 

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My problem with the “experts” on this board who criticize is they do it after the play didn’t work or after the game is over. Everyone could be a NC D-1 coach if they could make the calls after they knew the result.
 

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My problem with the “experts” on this board who criticize is they do it after the play didn’t work or after the game is over. Everyone could be a NC D-1 coach if they could make the calls after they knew the result.
There were Monday morning quarterbacks way back in the days of the Roman gladiators, I’m sure. All this comes with the territory. My father blamed every single Redskins loss on the referees, same difference. It’s a harmless habit, bitching about the refs or coaching, this or that. I’m as sick of the “experts” as you are but I’m not going to waste my time trying to change it. I do learn to avoid certain threads started by certain posters, as otherwise you end up no smarter than before.
 

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Coaching is a tough job. Listening to "critics" is one of the few amusing things they have each day. Don't know for certain, but I'll bet surgeons have the same belly laughs.
Yup, the same guy who is a JFK conspiracy nut and "Sandusky is innocent!" advocate, is up here trying to tell folks much smarter than him that they can't question coaches in his best Cartman'esque "respect my authoritay!" impression.

Thank you for the endless belly laughs. With folks like you posting what you post, the rest of the world can rest easy knowing there's always someone dumber out there.
 
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Yup, the same guy who is a JFK conspiracy nut and "Sandusky is innocent!" advocate, is up here trying to folks much smarter than him that they can't question coaches in his best Cartman'esque "respect my authoritay!" impression.

Thank you for the endless belly laughs. With folks like you posting what you post, the rest of the world can rest easy knowing there


's always someone dumber out there.
Moogy:sneaky:
 

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I’m so happy Cliff had one of his best games at the Rose Bowl. I’m happy for him and our fans.

I am also happy that the Clifford era is over. Good luck to him!
 
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In reference to my Childish "I told you so" post in reference to Clifford.....be honest now......no one would have ripped him a new ******* if he threw 2 interceptions and PSU lost? If they destroyed him here, would you have labeled them "childish?"
If they had come on here to mock other posters for supporting Clifford? Yeah, that would have been completely childish.
 
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The thin skin and the ego of a former coach are on full display here. He started a thread that was clearly intended to be antagonistic to fellow PSU fans AFTER a Rose Bowl victory we all should have been celebrating together. His mantra of “you’re not a coach so you can’t criticize a coach” is laughable, and one can only assume he does not apply that same “logic” to any other field of endeavor. Then, just look at his sheer number of posts in this thread — he cannot stop himself from responding to/disagreeing with anyone who doesn’t agree with him 100%. If others are of the opinion that on occasion Franklin has made some poor decisions, he claims he is merely stating his own contrary opinion on those decisions, when in reality his overriding opinion is not whether said decisions were always correct, but rather that NOBODY who is not a coach is entitled to opine on any coaching decisions. It’s absurd.
 
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I am confident in my football knowledge. I have been watching for over 35 years, I played division one college.
Which is where my opinion that most high school coaches are glorified gym teachers who just want some overtime pay.
The gap between a HS coach and a college coach is as big as Valles Marineris.

I also happen to think there is a fallacy in the very idea of your post. You are saying "I told you so" after Clifford had a great game. There is no doubt that he is a warrior and a soldier and a true Penn Stater. But in the end, people were frustrated that he was never going to be good enough to win us a National Championship. And ya know what, they were right. Perhaps it is wrong of them, and wrong of me, but every single year, I go into the season hoping to compete for a National Championship. I am a generally positive person and I can't see how anyone else would not want the same, irrational or not.

Your "I told you so" could easily be flipped the other way around. Just because it was obvious that Clifford wasn't the one to win us a Championship doesn't mean I disliked the kid or I hated him or wanted him to fail. I wanted him to prove me wrong with all my heart, and unfortunately he didn't. We finished with a great year and he was a great quarterback, but neither was elite. And I was told that I should expect elite. BTW, I am not saying Allar should have been playing, but for those who are, I don't really have a problem with it.

He had a great game and won the Rose Bowl. It is something to be proud of and the future is very bright for this team.
But here you are, kicking the nest for no reasons but to try to make yourself feel good.

Coaching, even up through college, is mostly about who is willing to grind it out. Few people want to toil making next to no money for years, not knowing if you'll get that opportunity to be a head coach in high school, or grab on to a minor role in college and then just network for a better gig, jumping across the region (or, more likely, the nation), unable to support yourself doing that one job. It's not about superior intellects (even within that sport) simply doing superior things ... those with great minds aren't passing on a career as an astrophysicist or neurosurgeon to coach. The townies who are hometown heroes (or want to be) are typically the coaches. Or, as you said, a teacher who just wants some extra easy money.

There's a reason mediocre quants are coming in to sports organizations as analysts/consultants and blowing up the traditional coaching/scouting structure in many sports ... because all these "life long experts" in the field don't know **** (or nearly as much as they think they do). That goes up through the pro ranks. And the "life long experts" actively fight against acquisition and application of knowledge. Imagine the awfulness that exists at the high school levels if the pros don't know their ****?

Hoops was my 3rd sport, but I was still a starter (barely) or 6th man. Being a 5'11" power forward with no hops, I had to use my noggin to succeed. Most of my teammates were mediocre intellects, at best. Some were dummies. I was the one having to tell them the tendencies of our opponents and all that fun stuff that helps you win games, outside of athleticism and skill. At least 5 of my teammates went on to become high school basketball coaches in some form, including some long-time successful head coaches still out there coaching ... and actually another became a D3 college coach. The best player (by far), who was smart, did well academically, and was a floor general on the court, never became a coach because, after he played in college, he went on to a successful career in finance. I never coached (any sport, except on a volunteer youth basis), because my career took me far away from that. I've had parents and current coaches ask me, based on my volunteer experience, if I'm an actual coach, and prodding me to either become a coach or set up private instruction ... but I just don't have the time nor the inclination. I just give them the information for free.

The only kid from my high school baseball squad, other than one kid who also became a hoops coach (he became a teacher at the same school), to become a baseball coach was a kid who seemed stoned all the time (wasn't the brightest bulb on the field, either), and who never made it past community college. He's been a successful Legion coach for decades. No one from my college team coaches, that I'm aware of.

In football, our head coach for a couple years was terrible. We underperformed greatly. We had a program that was typically successful, a lot of talent that went on to play in lower-level college (still well above average for our area), we were successful as a team in each step up until varsity, and we still had 1-win seasons at the varsity level with this guy at the helm. Just awful decisions in who was playing where, and the play-calling was mind-numbingly bad. He went on, shortly thereafter, to coach in college and has now worked his way up to being a D1 coordinator. One kid a class up from me in high school was constantly in trouble in school ... barely staying academically eligible to play, getting suspended for behavioral issues (including some legal stuff), and never even played because he wasn't very talented ... just a bad, dumb egg you wanted to stay away from. Last I knew, he was a top assistant football coach at a successful private school in my old stomping grounds.
 

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If others are of the opinion that on occasion Franklin has made some poor decisions,
This is comical….if this was the actual case, he wouldn’t be posting like he does. The anti-Franklin posts on here are waaayyyy beyond what you’re saying. And they’re posted with an equal amount of arrogance and know it all attitude that you accuse him of.
 
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Coaching, even up through college, is mostly about who is willing to grind it out. Few people want to toil making next to no money for years, not knowing if you'll get that opportunity to be a head coach in high school, or grab on to a minor role in college and then just network for a better gig, jumping across the region (or, more likely, the nation), unable to support yourself doing that one job. It's not about superior intellects (even within that sport) simply doing superior things ... those with great minds aren't passing on a career as an astrophysicist or neurosurgeon to coach. The townies who are hometown heroes (or want to be) are typically the coaches. Or, as you said, a teacher who just wants some extra easy money.

There's a reason mediocre quants are coming in to sports organizations as analysts/consultants and blowing up the traditional coaching/scouting structure in many sports ... because all these "life long experts" in the field don't know **** (or nearly as much as they think they do). That goes up through the pro ranks. And the "life long experts" actively fight against acquisition and application of knowledge. Imagine the awfulness that exists at the high school levels if the pros don't know their ****?

Hoops was my 3rd sport, but I was still a starter (barely) or 6th man. Being a 5'11" power forward with no hops, I had to use my noggin to succeed. Most of my teammates were mediocre intellects, at best. Some were dummies. I was the one having to tell them the tendencies of our opponents and all that fun stuff that helps you win games, outside of athleticism and skill. At least 5 of my teammates went on to become high school basketball coaches in some form, including some long-time successful head coaches still out there coaching ... and actually another became a D3 college coach. The best player (by far), who was smart, did well academically, and was a floor general on the court, never became a coach because, after he played in college, he went on to a successful career in finance. I never coached (any sport, except on a volunteer youth basis), because my career took me far away from that. I've had parents and current coaches ask me, based on my volunteer experience, if I'm an actual coach, and prodding me to either become a coach or set up private instruction ... but I just don't have the time nor the inclination. I just give them the information for free.

The only kid from my high school baseball squad, other than one kid who also became a hoops coach (he became a teacher at the same school), to become a baseball coach was a kid who seemed stoned all the time (wasn't the brightest bulb on the field, either), and who never made it past community college. He's been a successful Legion coach for decades. No one from my college team coaches, that I'm aware of.

In football, our head coach for a couple years was terrible. We underperformed greatly. We had a program that was typically successful, a lot of talent that went on to play in lower-level college (still well above average for our area), we were successful as a team in each step up until varsity, and we still had 1-win seasons at the varsity level with this guy at the helm. Just awful decisions in who was playing where, and the play-calling was mind-numbingly bad. He went on, shortly thereafter, to coach in college and has now worked his way up to being a D1 coordinator. One kid a class up from me in high school was constantly in trouble in school ... barely staying academically eligible to play, getting suspended for behavioral issues (including some legal stuff), and never even played because he wasn't very talented ... just a bad, dumb egg you wanted to stay away from. Last I knew, he was a top assistant football coach at a successful private school in my old stomping grounds.
I'd like you to rewrite this post in the experimental style you used a while back. :) You had some funny stuff back then. I miss that. Cracked me up. It was real clever.
 

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The thin skin and the ego of a former coach are on full display here. He started a thread that was clearly intended to be antagonistic to fellow PSU fans AFTER a Rose Bowl victory we all should have been celebrating together. His mantra of “you’re not a coach so you can’t criticize a coach” is laughable, and one can only assume he does not apply that same “logic” to any other field of endeavor. Then, just look at his sheer number of posts in this thread — he cannot stop himself from responding to/disagreeing with anyone who doesn’t agree with him 100%. If others are of the opinion that on occasion Franklin has made some poor decisions, he claims he is merely stating his own contrary opinion on those decisions, when in reality his overriding opinion is not whether said decisions were always correct, but rather that NOBODY who is not a coach is entitled to opine on any coaching decisions. It’s absurd.
Every one has an opinion. Just like everyone has an anus
 

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No, they will just blame Franklin for not getting Drew enough “meaningful” snaps. You know, every great QB got meaningful snaps in every close game when they were a bench warmer (eye roll).
Most probably got nosebleeds watching from the bleachers. ;)
 

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Don't banish anyone who mentions his name. The most deserving and all-knowing fans are loading up on some awesome criticisms for him. He's sport from now until graduation or the transfer portal.
All the true fans are banking on 1. Allar wins the Heisman....."see he would've won it last year too."
2. Allar is a bust...."see this is all Franklin and Clifford's fault for not playing him last year."
 
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