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I think you know you are summarily fabricating his statement/intent, but I'll make it really easy. If you clutch pearls over alleged IRS impropriety and still support Trump after he has repeatedly proved who he his, including being the first sitting president to try to go Putin on the US and has STILL not conceded the 2020 election, if you are one who berated algore for his few weeks of counting chads, if you claim you are a Christian(you may not), if you claim you are on the side of law enforcement but want to defund the FBI for investigating insurrectionists,
IF you are OK that because the head of the IRS DID NOT AUDIT Trump's taxes the first two years he was in office, WHICH IS MANDATORY UNDER LAW, and said commissioner of IRS was making money off of Trump investments at the time, but every other president has had their taxes audited,
then you are a head in the sand hypocrite on a new level.
Imagine if the IRS didn’t conduct the mandatory audit of Obama’s tax returns and then it turned out the IRS commissioner who made the decision not to audit Obama was making money investing in a business of Obama’s. Would Fox News go crazy? Would House Republicans investigate?
This is not the party of Reagan. This Republican Party isn’t conservative. It’s authoritarian.
You are just fringe right, with absolutely no balance in your information intake and cannot see that you are. I am around people just like you every day and I hear all the BS from them. They sound just like i used to.
Maybe take one step toward understanding why what happened on 1/6 was not politics as usual and should give you concern for our republic. Go watch the 1/6 hearings, while telling yourself repeatedly the truth that only Republicans testified in those hearings, not Democrats, listen to how absolutely unhinged Trump was/is and how close we came to a whole lot of pain that would have challenged our republic in much the same way Putin took over Russia and then decide if you are OK with that. Stop listening to biased news people telling you what to think headline by headline.
It’s not okay to abandon democracy, the truth, & the rule of law to get back the America you want. It’s just not.
I am truly out in the hopes that this thread will die. I realize the old Mark Twain adage is applicable:
"It is easier to fool a man than convince him that he has been fooled."
"But what about Trump" seems to be the standard response. But, it is time for Republicans to move on from that buffoon and grifter.
See this is why no one with a brain takes your serious.
It’s not mandatory under the law.
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But trump is a meanie weenie!
My apologies for calling it law. There are proposals to now make it law because of Trump. What was mandatory under all presidents got turned on its head with Trump, along with a lot of other things that presidents should do, but you keep on cheering for an insurrectionist who is "for the working man", but lies every breath, paid less in taxes that you did in 3 of the last 6 years and claimed the Stormy Daniels payoff as a tax write off of business expenses. In all sincerity, instead of fighting the truth that Trump is a terrible human who is only interested in himself, go look for some objective information and open you mind a little. You are in a major echo chamber. I got out of the echo chamber when my president tried to end my democracy.
I think it’s time to move on from Trump but it’s hard to argue with his results in economic policy.
His foreign policy was also exactly what most liberals and many republicans say they wanted before trump took office.
A. Stay the 17 out of everyone else’s business unless they ask for help or it directly affects the USA.
B. Don’t get into unnecessary wars/conflicts, especially those that require American soldiers long term.
Not going to get into a debate about Trump though bc it doesn’t matter.
So were you upset at FDR for breaking tradition that every US president had honored before him?
i don’t give a $h1t about obamas tax returns or trumps or bidens.
Agreed. America First and American workers first is a win in my book. I don't particularly like Trump, but the guy's been investigated since 2016. We're going on seven years now, been out of office two, and everything's been a nothingburger. Ask yourself why. The establishment - Dems and Repubs plus the Deep State - can't afford to have an outsider in office.
Reading comprehension fail. No. I do not see what the IRS did (tried to do their job slightly aggressively) as wrong. This would be like criticizing all cops because one person got questioned slightly aggressively. Or like if a series of robberies by someone in hip hop clothes occurred, so they put out an APB to keep an eye out for anyone in hip hop clothes, and people cried that was racist.
I am pointing out that people who cry tears over the IRS, but have no appetite for Police reform, are not arguing in good faith, for one example. You either have a standard of behavior you expect of the Executive branch regardless of the President, or you are a partisan hack whose standards shift massively with Party control. Which are you?
So you think it’s ok to profile based off hip hop clothes but think we need significant police reform.
seems intelligent
Just know that when a lot of people see highly nationalistic behavior and groupthink, they look backwards and try to see where that has led in the past. Examples:
1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Committee "The America First Committee (AFC) was the foremost United States isolationist pressure group against American entry into World War II.[1][2] Launched in September 1940, it surpassed 800,000 members in 450 chapters at its peak.[3] The AFC principally supported isolationism for its own sake, and its coalition included many Midwesterners, Republicans, conservatives, socialists, students, and leading industrialists, but it was controversial for the anti-Semitic and pro-fascist views of some of its most prominent speakers, leaders, and members.[4][5][6] The AFC was dissolved on December 11, 1941, four days after the attack on Pearl Harbor brought the United States into the war."
What would the world look like right now if the US had not entered WWII. I think worse, but we did nobody can prove a negative.
2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_rise_to_power "In 1920, the DAP renamed itself to the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei – NSDAP (National Socialist German Workers' Party, commonly known as the Nazi Party). Hitler chose this name to win over German workers.[citation needed] Despite the NSDAP being a right-wing party, it had many anti-capitalist and anti-bourgeois elements. Hitler later initiated a purge of these elements and reaffirmed the Nazi Party's pro-business stance. By 1922 Hitler's control over the party was unchallenged. In 1923, Hitler and his supporters attempted a coup to remove the government via force. This seminal event was later called the Beer Hall Putsch. Upon its failure, Hitler escaped, only to be subsequently arrested and put on trial. The trial proved to be a blessing in disguise for Hitler, as it garnered him national fame. Hitler was sentenced to five years, but he only served eight months. During this time, Hitler wrote Mein Kampf, which became the vade mecum of National Socialism. Once released, Hitler switched tactics; he was going to seize power through legal and democratic means."
I'm not being sensational, I'm just telling you that history is not kind to nationalistic movements that trend toward authoritarianism. Hitler went backwards of Trump as he tried the coup first, then decided to pursue election for power. All I'm saying is that what Trump/MAGA is and has turned a large part of the Republican Party into (was around 40% at its peak, have not seen recent numbers) is scary beyond arguing over liberal vs conservative politics.
I want us to onshore a lot of our manufacturing so we aren't beholding to China for the next pandemic.
I want our policies to support our national interests, understanding that the context is we exist in a global economy and that isn't changing.
I want our border under control AND our laws to change to make it much easier to come to this country and work.
I want our parties to stop treating immigrants as pawns and start treating them like humans, made in the image of God.
I want us to have social underpinnings that help gird the least of these, while building in accountability and training for those capable of becoming productive members of society.
I want less government regulation, but that includes government that would codify my own personal moral beliefs.
I want all of that under leaders who make the best of our Constitutional freedoms and not under people who make a mockery of our Constitution.
I do. If for no other reason than national security and knowing where money comes from and goes to. I would support legislation that subjects presidential candidates to vetting in a similar way that you or I would if applying for a Top Secret job. Seem stupid to me that the only qualifications are age/citizenship.
So you are definitely concerned about Hunter Biden and his laptop and his dealings with foreign countries and companies right?
And you are definitely concerned with the billions we are giving Ukraine and with Hilary Clinton colluding with Ukraine?
Or does it only concern you when it MIGHT be the meanie weenie Trumpy Poo?
I agree. The economy was good, the labor participation rate increased, and our foreign policy was better than what Obama and Bush offered. He likely would have been reelected without Covid. I just think other Republicans can copy his economic policies and, I hope, resist the urge to invade the world and invite the world to come to America.
This is what I can’t under stand with liberals and people who “claim” to be conservative but hate trump.
I’ve had bosses I’d never want to hang out with but they certainly got the job done and produced great results.
Also, the fact anyone thinks trump is right wing or conservative just shows how dumb they really are.
Everything you just posted is right fringe conspiracy theory material. Everything. The definition of a blind spot is that you can't see it.
You seem fairly reasonable on a lot of things, but like a lot of people, you are detached from reality on anything related to Trump. The Republican party is certainly not great on individual liberties and it is more authoritarian than what I would prefer, but it's absurd to talk about them being authoritarian in the context of American politics, unless you are a libertarian who considers the democrat party fascists authoritarians and the republicans slighlty less fascist authoritarians. They are relatively free speech and relatively pro 1st amendment (look at how authoritarian the democrats have gotten over animosity towards RFRA, which was passed virtually unanimously), they are pro 2nd amendment. Maybe it's just because they don't have the control of the bureaucracy to do it, but they are engaged in way fewer abuse of power and abuse of citizens than democrats.
There were a lot of idiots involved in January 6th, but it really was just a non-issue in the grand scheme of things. We do have a problem in that people don't trust our elections or institutions in general. They way to address that though is to focus on election integrity and cutting out opportunities for fraud. The standard is the avoidance of the appearance of impropriety. That's the only way democracy can really work. If people really cared about Jan. 6th and thought it was a serious threat, they would be looking to reform elections to avoid the appearance of impropriety. The fact that they don't but are actually fighting election integrity tells you they don't really care.
There are different types of conservatives. I'm certainly not a neo-conservative nor am I libertarian, a group that often is lumped in with conservatives but actually supports economic policies that often rapidly eliminate tradition, especially conservative cultural traditions. Trump was sort of conservative in some ways, he liked America and wanted to re-industrialize it and, unlike neo-conservatives, he wasn't a militarist with fantasies about using U.S. military power and war to democratize majority Muslim countries. His response to Covid, irrational and bizarre behavior, and his deference to Fauci who he followed and allowed to shut-down the economy was enough for me to no longer ignore his narcisism and buffoonish behavior. Ironically, his greatest achievement during Covid, the rapid creation of an effective, life-saving vaccine, was something his greatest supporters were suspicious of. And January 6 showed he has no business being in the White House ever again. And look at the morons and various ideologically-driven lunatics with ill-conceived ideas about how elections work who stormed the Capital thinking they might change something. It's like they never even read a book on how to organize a protest or rally (even Antifa gets the basics of protests/rioting down because they are more organized or at least rely on other organizations for assistance).
I have no concerns to start off with because the chain of evidence regarding the laptop is messed up. If that chain had been significantly cleaner, maybe I would have been initially concerned.
You’re a kid, PDT.
Read your history. And if you were older, you would have taken at least one of Radvanyi’s classes at State back in the day.
The US gave lots of foreign aid to countries during the Cold War.
HRC/Ukraine is frankly irrelevant to a lot of folks nowadays considering Russia invaded Ukraine earlier this year.
I have probably a very low bar for government ethics. I'm not asking them to not be corrupt, I'm just asking for them to limit their corruption to stealing money in a way that doesn't jeopardize national security and to avoid abusing citizens and doing things that tear down institutions we need. Politicizing the IRS, DOJ, FBI, CDC, etc. is much worse than grifting an extra few tens of millions or even hundreds of milliosn per year.
If mine is a right wing fringe conspiracy then yours is a left wing fringe conspiracy.
See how that works?
6 pages of non-sports related posts redirected in all sorts of non-sports related ways. It's a post-Christmas miracle for the sixpack.
Are you disputing the pictures on the lap top?
Are you disputing that Hunter has very odd business dealings with foreign businesses that are owned/controlled by communists?
I have no problem with giving aid to countries but Ukraine isn’t some completely innocent country invaded by Russia. Does that mean I think Russia had just cause to invade them? No.
But Ukraine has a history of corruption. Enough is enough.
And any money going anywhere should be openly transparent and easily summarized and presented on exactly who is getting it and what they are doing with it.
What does HRC/Ukraine have to do with Ukraine Russia now? Trump was anally probed for 4 years over Russian collusion but no lib seems to care HRC worked with Ukraine to hurt Trump in the election. WHY IS THAT? It’s simple. Trump is a meanie weenie who tweets bad things and is mean.
The over/under for this thread has been set at 283.5 posts. As I type this we are currently at 227. Place your bets responsibly.
BTW, does anyone the longest thread in Sixpack history?
BTW, does anyone the longest thread in Sixpack history?
I think the laptop is tainted due to lack of a proper chain of evidence.
I don’t know much about HB. But he’s not the first and won’t be the last presidential relative to have interesting connections. So let’s not be like that French policeman in Casablanca who’s shocked at all the illegal gambling.
You ask what does HRC/Ukraine have to do with Ukraine Russia now?
Well, dude. You’re the one who linked them together in one sentence in your Comment #215.
You want to impress me: Make logical arguments.
You’re someone who thinks he’s a smart guy but you can’t make a good argument to save your life.
You really needed to take that Public Speaking class at Scooba after you left Annapolis.
I don’t know much about HB. But he’s not the first and won’t be the last presidential relative to have interesting connections. So let’s not be like that French policeman in Casablanca who’s shocked at all the illegal gambling.
You ask what does HRC/Ukraine have to do with Ukraine Russia now?
Well, dude. You’re the one who linked them together in one sentence in your Comment #215.
You want to impress me: Make logical arguments.
You’re someone who thinks he’s a smart guy but you can’t make a good argument to save your life.
You really needed to take that Public Speaking class at Scooba after you left Annapolis.
You want to impress me? Use critical thinking and reading comprehension.
I responded to an idiot who was talking about collusion and impropriety things.
Im simply asking if all of those things bother him like the things he talks about Trump.
1. Hunter Biden and the evidence against him.
2. Giving billions to ukroane
3. Completely separate issue of HRC colluding with Ukraine in 2016 election which has zero to do with Russia Ukraine war.
Yet you grouped together HRC with Ukraine Russia in the previous comment I mentioned.
Since you linked them together, that’s one question that can be easily answered in that manner.
aGAIN. Learn how to make a good Argument.
I seriously doubt you went to Annapolis.
More than likely you’re a kid from Noxapater whose only experience on the water was at Tiak.
Are you saying the pictures, emails, etc. found on the laptop are fake? The FBI didn't think so. After their plan to just sit on the laptop failed, they released the hounds once they got word the NY Post story was coming out. The FBI warnings to Twitter and other social media labeled it as Russian propaganda and they pressured to censor or label the story as misinformation. It worked.
Are you interest in sports, good food, golf?
Those are in 1 sentence together but are only related in “are you interested in”.
BTW, for the "but what about Trump" people, Biden was actually regarded as one of the biggest liars in office and he had a rather Trumpian ability to say whatever was on his mind and insult others. Plus, there's the creepy sniffing issue. Biden lied about being the first in his family to go to college, he lied about the scholarship he received, he lied about graduating in the top half of his class, he lied about having 3 degrees, he lied about being a professor, he lied about celebrating Kwaanza for decades, he plagiarized lines from others's speeches (Kinnock, in Britain), he lied about his son dying in Iraq... Biden is really a serial liar. I know, but what about Trump.
Okay, I’ll bite. Especially since this series of topics can be more easily separated.
Sports fan experiences are extremely overrated. I’ve not been to a game in Starkville in years.
Going to games just doesn’t feel the same since the folks I went to games with got divorced and then moved.
Also in the past few years, one of the things that has been occasionally and continuously mentioned on this board to attract people has been to make things flashier. More lights. Style over substance.
I’m a neurodivergent guy who can’t stand it when a car or truck with high beams is behind me when I’m driving, so my interpretation of those proposals is that those folks who want flashier experiences are pretty much telling me that I am not welcome.
So no. I’m extremely unlikely to go to major college or pro sports events.
I always like good food (I seriously need to make use of the $120 in Ely’s gift cards I have — I won two in the past three seasons & @Mr. Cook gifted me the one he won this year).
Golf. Seems interesting. I bought some clubs cheap at a garage sale many years ago. But I never have time.
If this is sarcasm, well played.
If you are serious, get someone else to interpret my responses.
My response was serious.
And that’s one of the differences between us.
I’m serious. You’re more fast & loose.
You can scream people down but you will never win arguments until you become more disciplined.
More for the "But what about Trump" crowd. Here are vaccine-hesitant Dems publicly expressing their vaccine hesitancy. So much of American politics is State vs. Ole Miss level cheerleading for your team:
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One thing I have always liked about Trump is his unhesitating support of Warp Speed.
Lots of folks challenged him on that but the science was there and possible to do quickly.
And it was.
You also brought non-presidents into a, way OT, but presidential related sub-thread for some reason. You should apply for the MSU field crew. If they ever need goalposts moved, you would thrive.
I will say I'm super worried about the motivation of the Saudis for giving HB $2B and what that was supposed to buy; no wait, that was Jared Kushner, whose "investment firm", that had zero track record, but he did have a FIL who had sucked up to the saudis for four years in line to possibly get elected to another 4.