Top QBR in the country, a familiar face

[HuntDawg]

Hahaha

Hitting the bottle again eh ?

Me? You think this guy is a heisman watch list guy…. Hell your into some stuff that isn’t even sold in stores

 

[Perd Hapley]

I don’t think so. These grades measure how each is performing this year. If you multiplied out Shapen’s numbers they’d be very similar to Shauder Sanders. I doubt he would have maintained that pace, and SS brings a rushing threat.

Shedeur does not bring a rushing threat at all. He literally has negative career rushing yards, and negative rushing yards each year at Colorado.

It’s actually quite odd that he’s gotten as many carries as he has gotten….for as bad as he sucks at it. Almost like Daddy is just trying to force a round peg in a square hole and showcase something that isn’t there.

He has 188 carries at Colorado these past 2 years, for -88 yards. Even if you take out like 40 sacks for -200 yards (ballpark, didn’t look up the sacks), that’s still 148 actual carries or scrambles for only 112 yards. Like 0.6 ~ 0.7 ypc. That’s like Will Rogers level of inept.

 

[Howiefeltersnstch]

You are wrong

But am I ?

 

[85Bears]

But am I ?

You are wrong if you aknowledge how good of a season Sawyer is having. Cant have anything that is positive about Leachs time here.

 

[Podgy]

Put in Wright

 

[HuntDawg]

You are wrong if you aknowledge how good of a season Sawyer is having. Cant have anything that is positive about Leachs time here.

Good season sure. Heisman watch list, national exposure, nfl eye opening type season…. Helllllll no.

 

[85Bears]

Good season sure. Heisman watch list, national exposure, nfl eye opening type season…. Helllllll no.

Sorry that upsets you but SR will be on several awards watch lists next season. 6-4 220 qbr #6 in the country 24 TDs 4 INTs , he will be in a nfl training camp. 20 passing 4 rushing. Good mobility great arm.

 

[HuntDawg]

Sorry that upsets you but SR will be on several awards watch lists next season. 6-4 220 qbr #6 in the country 24 TDs 4 INTs , he will be in a nfl training camp.

20 not 24.

damn shame with those numbers being as great as they are… he won’t he make a all conference team.…. That qbr you speak so highly of doesn’t mean a whole lot.…when your not even in the top 50 in yards or top 20 in touchdowns... he might make a pre-season big12 all conf team. That’s about it.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I don’t know how many times this has to be repeated but here it is again… Leach died, he wasn’t ran off to another place, he wasn’t fired He died…
And no he didn’t recruit well on the OL and DL. That’s the reason we are struggling. His staff was awful at evaluating talent and due to the terrible evaluation and signing during the Covid year, miss evals in 22 and passing away before the 23 class was signed we were gutted. Add to that when all the talent that he inherited or in his defense was able to get graduated last year you are left with a roster like the one we have now. ZA and staff didn’t help matters in fact they made them worse by not even trying to recruit and one reason Selmon pulled the plug on ZA mid season. And no it wasn’t the good ol boy calling the shots on RTDB, that was ZA being meathead

So you and goat can talk all day about how leach did this or that, but neither of you or others want to admitt this current roster is full of players who are not talented enough to compete day in day out in the SEC. In fact the most valuable and talented players are the ones Lebby signed in only a few weeks on the job. And you can’t rebuild the holes left in a first years coach first class. Look at ASU this year as an example.

Lenny ran off Leach’s guys. Reese sucks too, right? Dude at Vandy seems pretty good too. As are a lot of guys he crooted.

Truth hurts.

 

[57stratdawg]

Shedeur does not bring a rushing threat at all. He literally has negative career rushing yards, and negative rushing yards each year at Colorado.

It’s actually quite odd that he’s gotten as many carries as he has gotten….for as bad as he sucks at it. Almost like Daddy is just trying to force a round peg in a square hole and showcase something that isn’t there.

He has 188 carries at Colorado these past 2 years, for -88 yards. Even if you take out like 40 sacks for -200 yards (ballpark, didn’t look up the sacks), that’s still 148 actual carries or scrambles for only 112 yards. Like 0.6 ~ 0.7 ypc. That’s like Will Rogers level of inept.

That’s fair. I was just comparing his rushing grade to Shapen’s. Sheduer is a 64 compared to Shapen’s 50. Might have something to do with Shapen’s fumbles.

 

[Bulldawg77]

Lenny ran off Leach’s guys. Reese sucks too, right? Dude at Vandy seems pretty good too. As are a lot of guys he crooted.

Truth hurts.

Lebby didn’t run anyone off. Layso was from Nashville area, tranfered here from MTSU.. good for him. But guess what he was a SR and signed decided to go back home

Reese is the only player left on the two deep who signed with leach staff. Idiot

 

[The Peeper]

well SR is 6th nationally in QBR and nobody else in the big 12 is in the top 20.

I believe I've seen this same debate when Will was here

 

[85Bears]

I believe I've seen this same debate when Will was here

Not really a debate, Sawyer is having a hell of a year and he’s got all the tools. Have you seen him play this year ? I’ve watched some Baylor games, he’s very good.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

Muh Leach can't CrOoT


PFF measures grades as a pro player, correct? I'm more worried about how they play in college, rather than how they project at the next level.

What's his defensive front 7 stats look like? Maybe qb what else did he manage to recruit? A corner back

 

[The Peeper]

No one is saying that. He was 19-17 in 3 seasons at MSU. That’s decent, and we seemed to be trending up. But we clearly weren’t bringing in defensive talent at a high rate. It’s not like we lost a bunch of DL, CB and Safety to the transfer portal.

Either way - he died. It’s not like we fired him through some controversial process. What is there to argue about?

Not really a debate, Sawyer is having a hell of a year and he’s got all the tools. Have you seen him play this year ? I’ve watched some Baylor games, he’s very good.

The debate here was high QB rating didn't mean anything when the defense didn't perform. His defense gave up 31, 28, and 21 in 3 of their losses this season

 

[85Bears]

The debate here was high QB rating didn't mean anything when the defense didn't perform. His defense gave up 31, 28, and 21 in 3 of their losses this season

The debate here was high QB rating didn't mean anything when the defense didn't perform. His defense gave up 31, 28, and 21 in 3 of their losses this season

That doesn’t even make sense, I think you are confused about something. QBR is a performance measure of the quarterback position, it has nothing to do with Baylor’s defensive play.

 

[She Mate Me]

I know I enter into threads sometimes when the same ole grumps are ripping on Will, but I honestly don't understand why there is a segment here that enjoys arguing about former State QBs who were completely inconsequential while at State.

Damn, that was a long sentence. Sorry...

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Crazy how much better MVB is as a FR compared to what Sawyer was. Imagine how good he'll be in three years. And Sawyer got to RS too. Probably be on the heisman watch list.

 

[She Mate Me]

Crazy how much better MVB is as a FR compared to what Sawyer was. Imagine how good he'll be in three years. And Sawyer got to RS too. Probably be on the heisman watch list.

Or at least on the watching the Heisman list.

 

[HuntDawg]

That doesn’t even make sense, I think you are confused about something. QBR is a performance measure of the quarterback position, it has nothing to do with Baylor’s defensive play.

QBR is a espn generated stat. That isnt even considered an official stat by anyone other than ESPN... and while we are at it, espn wont even divulge the formula as to which its computed.

Its certainly not a stat that heisman watch lists or awards are going to be generated from.... and when a QB is only in the top 20 in QBR and no other category at all (and not leading or even 2nd in his own conference in any stat).... it obviously casts a big lingering cloud over how valuable the stat really is.

As this great season bears here thinks the kid is having. He's not on any watch list. Any awards list.. and again wont even be 1st team all conference in the weakest P4 conference in the country. (He likely wont even make the honorable mention list)

Bear-- Goat-- Match made in forum heaven

 

[85Bears]

QBR is a espn generated stat. That isnt even considered an official stat by anyone other than ESPN... and while we are at it, espn wont even divulge the formula as to which its computed.

Its certainly not a stat that heisman watch lists or awards are going to be generated from.... and when a QB is only in the top 20 in QBR and no other category at all (and not leading or even 2nd in his own conference in any stat).... it obviously casts a big lingering cloud over how valuable the stat really is.

As this great season bears here thinks the kid is having. He's not on any watch list. Any awards list.. and again wont even be 1st team all conference in the weakest P4 conference in the country. (He likely wont even make the honorable mention list)

Bear-- Goat-- Match made in forum heaven

You’re that triggered by the success of a former player ? What a freaking loser

 

[HuntDawg]

You’re that triggered by the success of a former player ? What a freaking loser

Hardly. Just making it clear that you spew more crap that anyone on this boards minus Goat.

Much like Arkansas totally rebuilt from the portal... this is just a load of crap.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Crazy how much better MVB is as a FR compared to what Sawyer was. Imagine how good he'll be in three years. And Sawyer got to RS too. Probably be on the heisman watch list.

Starting point is not always the ending point. Some make jumps, some don't. Many that start as freshmen don't make that huge jump.

Can't judge by that.