USC & UCLA to B1G by 2024; conferences react; TV contracts thread

Hugh Laurie

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Not sure Cal football can survive even if the remnants of the Pac10 merge with the Mountain West. That would be an inferior conference and possibly unable to command the TV $$$ the Pac was getting. Cal Athletics has huge debt to service thanks to our illustrious Sandy Barbour and any diminishment of conference revenue from an inferior Mountain West TV deal could be a death knoll to many of Cal's Olympic sports if not the football program itself.
 

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Your take is they are just randomly doing his without any idea why or what will happen?

That’s a silly take in my opinion. These things aren’t random. They know where they are going.
"Randomly"? I never said, or implied, that.

I will wager the mortgage money - without the slightest bit of concern - that the decisionmakers are not even aware of any thorough evaluation of exactly WHAT they plan to do. But that isn't the real issue. The issue is knowing, based on reason and evaluation, how what they plan to do (if there was a worked-out plan) may work (and whether or not it would yield a net positive, or - heaven forbid - actually be the optimal course of action).
 
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Not sure Cal football can survive even if the remnants of the Pac10 merge with the Mountain West. That would be an inferior conference and possibly unable to command the TV $$$ the Pac was getting. Cal Athletics has huge debt to service thanks to our illustrious Sandy Barbour and any diminishment of conference revenue from an inferior Mountain West TV deal could be a death knoll to many of Cal's Olympic sports if not the football program itself.
Time for their alumni to step up and write some big checks ... ;)
 

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Not sure Cal football can survive even if the remnants of the Pac10 merge with the Mountain West. That would be an inferior conference and possibly unable to command the TV $$$ the Pac was getting. Cal Athletics has huge debt to service thanks to our illustrious Sandy Barbour and any diminishment of conference revenue from an inferior Mountain West TV deal could be a death knoll to many of Cal's Olympic sports if not the football program itself.
If needed, they could survive.

What is the endowment of UC Berkeley?
$6.9 billion
University of California, Berkeley
 

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No way. Divisions make even less sense the larger a conference is as it would result in certain team rarely playing. We’ll probably see all 4 west coast teams locked as permanent plays with each other keeping a similar system to what they came up with for 2024/25.

Once the NCAA got rid of the need for divisions for conferences with 12+ members to hold a conference championship, the purpose of divisions went away. They aren’t coming back.

Assuming each team plays 9 conference and 3 OOC games and four teams finish with a conference best 7-2 or 6-3 record, who plays in the championship game and under what criteria if none played each other. Just asking how that would work.
 

Hugh Laurie

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If needed, they could survive.

What is the endowment of UC Berkeley?
$6.9 billion
University of California, Berkeley
Endowments for the most part are restricted for what they can be used for. Don't know what restrictions Cal's endowments are under. I don't think anyone who donated to Cal's endowment had bond defaults in mind. 😉

Here's an article, while a little dated, speaks to the concern about the football program.

Hanging in the balance.
 
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Endowments for the most part are restricted for what they can be used for. Don't know what restrictions Cal's endowments are under. I don't think anyone who donated to Cal's endowment had bond defaults in mind. 😉

Here's an article, while a little dated, speaks to the concern about the football program.

Hanging in the balance.
Yes, most know that endowments are somewhat restricted. However, it seems that most monies held by Universities is completely fungible. They'll figure it out.
 

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Assuming each team plays 9 conference and 3 OOC games and four teams finish with a conference best 7-2 or 6-3 record, who plays in the championship game and under what criteria if none played each other. Just asking how that would work.
That's an easy one. It's tOSU vs. Michigan every year no matter what their records are.
 
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Yes, most know that endowments are somewhat restricted. However, it seems that most monies held by Universities is completely fungible. They'll figure it out.
Penn State has a long-term investment pool (including its $4.4bn endowment) of roughly the same amount and is running a nine-figure operating deficit. Guess they're having trouble figuring it out.
 
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Your take is they are just randomly doing his without any idea why or what will happen?

That’s a silly take in my opinion. These things aren’t random. They know where they are going.
Just 2 months ago we heard how the new scheduling format was going to allow each school to play each other school in the conference at least twice in a four year period.

Unless they relent on the number of rivals, I’d like them for them to present how they will make this happen.
 

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To think that SD State was so close to joining the PAC #. When they balked, it was a sign the PAC # implosion was about to occur. Good for their University leadership for not jumping ship.

The Mountain West has 12 teams and the PAC # has 4. I sense a merger.
 

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The PAC 12 is so desperate that if this board sent in an application we would get accepted. Since we are all sophomoric we would fit in well.
 

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To think that SD State was so close to joining the PAC #. When they balked, it was a sign the PAC # implosion was about to occur. Good for their University leadership for not jumping ship.

The Mountain West has 12 teams and the PAC # has 4. I sense a merger.
The Pacific Mountain Conference. .
 

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To think that SD State was so close to joining the PAC #. When they balked, it was a sign the PAC # implosion was about to occur. Good for their University leadership for not jumping ship.

The Mountain West has 12 teams and the PAC # has 4. I sense a merger.

It would be weird to see Cal and Stanford stoop down to the Mountain West.

Mattering matters.
 

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Does the BT want to stop at 20 teams or expand to 24? I think that'll determine who they poach and how quickly. If they go to 20 teams, I think they'll hold off on adding anyone for a while unless ND expresses interest. Aside from Notre Dame at 1A, I'd say the 1B options are probably Florida State, Miami, and Clemson, and you likely see FSU and Clemson to the SEC with Miami to the BT if they can sort out the legal issues.
 

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Penn State has a long-term investment pool (including its $4.4bn endowment) of roughly the same amount and is running a nine-figure operating deficit. Guess they're having trouble figuring it out.
The conversation was about Cal, not Penn State. But either way I hope you realize that first you have to be interested in lowering debt and costs before you do anything about these issues. Given two alternatives, one being defaulting on loans and the other "figuring" it out, I suspect they'd figure it out.

Has Neeli and her Administration or anyone on the BOT besides Barry given you any impression that they are interested in debt reduction and cost reduction activities?

Figure 1: Tuition Increase schedule release. check
Figure 2: Five Key Goals
  • Enhance student success
  • Grow interdisciplinary research excellence
  • Increase land-grant impact
  • Foster diversity, equity, inclusion and belonging
  • Transform Penn State’s internal operations
 

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The conversation was about Cal, not Penn State. But either way I hope you realize that first you have to be interested in lowering debt and costs before you do anything about these issues. Given two alternatives, one being defaulting on loans and the other "figuring" it out, I suspect they'd figure it out.

Has Neeli and her Administration or anyone on the BOT besides Barry given you any impression that they are interested in debt reduction and cost reduction activities?

Figure 1: Tuition Increase schedule release. check
Figure 2: Five Key Goals
  • Enhance student success
  • Grow interdisciplinary research excellence
  • Increase land-grant impact
  • Foster diversity, equity, inclusion and belonging
  • Transform Penn State’s internal operations
Guess you have trouble with analogies, so let's try this. Schools factor cash thrown off by the endowment into their operating budget. Presently, Cal runs an over $80mm deficit. That includes approximately $25mm to subsidize the athletic department. Doesn't appear that they have a lot of easily "fungible" cash to throw around,
 
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TiogaLion

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Guess you have trouble with analogies, so let's try this. Schools factor cash thrown off by the endowment into their operating budget. Presently, Cal runs an over $80mm deficit. That includes approximately $25mm to subsidize the athletic department. Doesn't appear that they have a lot of easily "fungible" cash to throw around,
Why don't you first lookup the word fungible and consider what a knowledgeable person can do with $7 Billion when they are faced with defaulting.

You're like a range ball with a slice in it. You know you shouldn't hit it but you do anyway.
 
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If needed, they could survive.

What is the endowment of UC Berkeley?
$6.9 billion
University of California, Berkeley
Cal could survive. They have the endowment and they have a lot of alumni with money but the question is how committed are they to remaining competitive? Not enough to keep up in the college football/NIL arms race. Cal's identity is not wrapped up with their football team. They are not Alabama or Ohio state or even Penn State. They care more about the ranking of their law school or graduate physics program than where they are in the football polls. Same is true with Stanford but even more so. Also those teams don't draw fans who aren't affiliated with the university like SEC teams or some of the other big names. it's just different out there. College football isn't as big a deal as it is other parts of the country.

So the Bears have some tough decisions to make or more like they are being made for them. I see the football program hanging around but with a deemphasis on all collegiate sports.
 

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B1G schedule makers:


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Hugh Laurie

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Why don't you first lookup the word fungible and consider what a knowledgeable person can do with $7 Billion when they are faced with defaulting.
Should Cal lack sufficient cash flow to make a required interest payment thereby placing the bonds in default, the bondholders would likely take an immediate hit and then have to sue the university and/or the state if the state was the guarantor of the debt. Yes cash is fungible but cant legally be used for things that lacked budgetary appropriation from the university or state.
 
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Just 2 months ago we heard how the new scheduling format was going to allow each school to play each other school in the conference at least twice in a four year period.

Unless they relent on the number of rivals, I’d like them for them to present how they will make this happen.
Who gives a ****? Either turn on the tv and watch the games or don’t. This isn’t life or death matters and the B1G schedule makers don’t owe anybody any explanation.
 
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That's an easy one. It's tOSU vs. Michigan every year no matter what their records are.
They will not play to protect the rivalry game. It's a Big 2 bonus. i.e. this will help get BOTH of them in since it prevents an extra loss.
 

GrimReaper

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Why don't you first lookup the word fungible and consider what a knowledgeable person can do with $7 Billion when they are faced with defaulting.

You're like a range ball with a slice in it. You know you shouldn't hit it but you do anyway.
You should look up contracts, specifically endowment agreements. A university can only distribute endowment funds if they conform to the purpose expressed in the agreement., even to stave off bankruptcy. To do otherwise it would need permission of everyone who established an endowed fund. Otherwise it would have declare bankruptcy, in which disposition of residual assets, including full value of the endowment, would be under direction of the courts. No quite the same situation as using the endowment to support a failing athletic department that you suggested.
 

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Should Cal lack sufficient cash flow to make a required interest payment thereby placing the bonds in default, the bondholders would likely take an immediate hit and then have to sue the university and/or the state if the state was the guarantor of the debt. Yes cash is fungible but cant legally be used for things that lacked budgetary appropriation from the university or state.
They could always try to invoke the doctrine of cy pres. Good luck with that.
 

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Thanks for making me look that up and learn something today.
I've heard of it being used a couple of times in connection with university endowments, usually on a very limited scale. Typical case: John Smith establishes an endowment at University A. Proceeds are to fund a scholarship for a student majoring in Latin. University decides to discontinue Latin.

Ordinarily the school would contact John Smith to discuss alternatives and agree to amend the original endowment contract. But, if for some reason, it can't contact Smith, any change would have to be approved by the courts. Could take the form of funding a scholarship for someone studying another language or even transferring the money to another school that has a Latin department. Court probably wouldn't look kindly if University A proposed that the endowment fund a basketball scholarship.
 
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