On THON--if it were a separate charity, I'd certainly consider donating, as I used to. But the logic is that THON money goes through the university, money is fungible, and I don't trust this BOT to do a good job utilizing that money. A BOT that is anything but transparent, does not allow public comment, does not allow dissent, and tries to control everything in a secretive manner makes me wonder what is going on beneath the surface.
Is it “logic” or a fact that the money goes through the BOT? Please, provide evidence that it goes through the BOT and that the Four Diamonds Fund is closely connected to the BOT.
You started it to stir the pot and get a subset of the base riled up. Congrats. You must be proud of your accomplishment. I guess you were really bored the day you started this.
I never said the money goes through the BOT. It goes through the university. BUT, the BOT decides where all monies go as they are in charge of the budget, and the Four Diamonds Fund is a part of Penn State and gets its non-profit status from them. It's not separate.
There has been no mistreatment of alumni and fans. It's all about the alleged mistreatment of the football coach. You cried that he was being mistreated, they didn't heed your cries, and now you're claiming victim status of your own, on behalf of the football coach, who you claimed was mistreated.
LOL ... you're accusing HIM of grinding an axe?!? You're here telling everyone how you won't support the university until they meet your demands (but then trying to rationalize still supporting the football team) ... he's telling you to grow up and get over yourself and then you're saying he's grinding an axe? Yikes.
I’m not making it personal. You started the thread, then said it was about differing opinions. Mine is different than yours. Am I not allowed to give you mine? Is the thread only for those that think like you? Maybe, if some put on their big boy pants and stopped feeling sorry for THEMSELVES and stopped playing the victim, reasonable conversations could be had. We both know that even if the university went to great lengths to honor Joe and make amends with some, it wouldn’t be enough with many and they would still hold a grudge.
You are 100% entitled to your opinion- but so am I. Have I attacked yours or anyone else's, or questioned anyone's motives? Maybe go re-read my original post.
You inferred that the BOT would mismanage it. Now, you are backpedaling. Until there are charges or proof against anyone involved with THON that they are mismanaging the funds, I’ll treat this exactly as it is..a conspiracy theory. Undermining a student run charity organization that funds childhood cancer is a new low.
I asked a question so people might state opinions, I thought it would be interesting. I wasn't looking to solve all of the world's problems.
Read what I wrote and don't try to bend it to fit your own opinion. You are welcome to spend you money anyway you wish. So am I. Stop virtue signaling. I have good reason for a certain distrust of the current BOT, exemplified and proven by their obfuscation and antidemocratic actions, not to mention the lawsuits they've gotten into recently as a result as they try to squash any dissent or anyone asking any questions. Not to mention picking their buddies to manage the endowment. Those are facts. Sunlight is a great disinfectant.
Yes. To certain extent I agree with you there. But, then you stooped to accusing PSU of misusing funds from THON. If it is true, then burn it down. If is just conjecture…shame on you.
Tell that to NTB who had to replace my slashed tires. Or the folks at work that called a (female) coworker a pedophile, because she happened to have a Ph.D. from State. But my concerns are *current*--as have already been enumerated.
Read again, please. I just don't trust them to spend PSU's money in the wisest manner. An example is how the endowment is being managed, for which they refuse to answer. That's different from mismanagement.
You can use whatever language you want to get around the fact they you are inferring that PSU would take money from a charity that helps fund research and pay for medical bills for childhood cancer. I asked for proof and you can’t provide it. So, it’s all conspiracy theory. Your mistrust of the board and their inability to be transparent may be valid, but you can’t tie that issue with THON. Those dots don’t directly connect.
I'll be sure to check with you before asking questions in the future.
No need. But don’t expect all the responses and reasoning to be just like yours.
LOL. That was a sad attempt to justify the subsequent terrorism.
You are very wrong. I've said a lot of this for quite a few years now. Who made you able to read peoples minds and hearts?? Who made you judge and jury of the way others choose to spend their money?? There's also been no "terrorism". Unless you are trying to count some justifiable legal action against the BOT--at least the courts seem to think it justifiable.
Well, you have to f*ck somebody.Usually, my family tells me to go f*ck myself.
Come on you can do better if you are going to troll... I miss the days when people put real effort into trolling. We give you a participation troll trophy
I don’t think it existed nor should it. I am talking about those who mistreated Paterno and family.
Look in the mirror for the cult member : Putting football over integrity of a once great program and an even greater leader.
Are you kidding? Fans were blamed! And for what happened exactly.
I support the university, because it educates people. I don't support only the football coach, or only the football program, or whatever ... I support the education of young adults. That's not a cult ... unlike you and yours sitting there talking about "a once great program and an even greater leader." It's beyond creepy.
The only fans that were blamed, were blamed for being mindless cult members ... like you're showing yourself to be here. "We must all worship the leader! Nothing matters other than the leader! The program is nothing without the leader! Long live the leader!" It's frightening.
But they will get older and, in many cases, football will become more important to them. Many young people have a lot more going on in their lives they’d rather be focused on.
From the THON website: all donations to the Penn State Dance Marathon and Four Diamonds are tax deductible. Our federal tax ID Number is 24-6000-376.
I think it’s where things start to get grey…if I send in $1k and tell PSU that I want the $ to go to the French Literature program, I’m sure they will mark that donation as going to French Literature. I’m also confident that if they were planning on giving $40k to that department this year, they won’t suddenly give $41k. They’ll instead give them $39k that was intended, $1k from me, and redirect $1k to somewhere else.
I feel the same. They said there was a “culture” problem and they were going to fix it. It was offensive. They were shaming a fan base. But most if not all of them are gone. Franklin and Knowles have made positive statements about the Penn State of their youth in the 70s and 80s. Franklin said he is a Pennsylvania kid with a Penn State heart. Knowles said that Penn State football was everything to him growing up in Philadelphia. Thanks Coach Franklin and Coach Knowles for making those statements.
