What are Things Sandusky also said to other dudes. I’ll take Sad Things People Say On the Internet for $1000, Alex.
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Who are "WE"?
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Agree. I also don’t understand the obsession with putting the statue back up. The statue of a man who claimed to never want it in the first place. Is that to honor him? Or pacify those that are clamoring for it?
Did I miss something? What precipitated this conversation? Why on a random Thursday in February are some getting out the pitchforks and torches to avenge Joe’s mistreatment? Why do some conjure up this rage every few weeks to months and profess it all here? If the university put the statue back up and issued a public apology, would those that claim to be done with the university (yet come here to complain about all things PSU routinely) be satisfied? Would you open up your checkbooks and let all flow back to PSU? (If you ever did in the first place). I think I know the answer to that.
You mean the same group that bashes the current coach because he isn’t Joe? Seems like a pretty clear picture.
Hero worship/cult membership uber alles. It explains so many things in history, and in modern times.
Personally most people don't care about the statue. I personally don't think it even looked that much like Joe. I would like something along Paterno Field put in the Beav. It would be nice if/when they did that PSU Admin said some nice things about Joe and the Paterno family. We all know the BOT left them hung out to dry and take all the blame so the BOT members could keep their cushy Fortune 500 board positions and direct the attention away from them including those serving on the 2nd mile board. Heck some media members have admitted publically that hindsight being 20/20 they overreacted in blaming Joe when he did what is now required in the handbook of dealing with this. If PSU did this I would think a chunk of people would get back to writing checks to PSU. I am a realist and know the PSU BOT is not going to get down on their knees and beg for forgiveness and admit they were wrong. But maybe meet half way in the middle in acknowledging Joe and the Paterno family and all the good they have done for PSU and continue to do.
Thank you for the well thought out response. I appreciate it. Unfortunately, there does seem to be a fair amount of those who are holding on to things like the statue.
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Is there anyone left on the board today that was part of Joe's firing and the handling of things directly after "stuff" hit the fan? If so, isn't it a very small minority of the current board?
Just curious. Do any of you know the Paterno family? Sue, Scott, Jay, or their sisters? Do any of you know them personally? If so, does the family feel they need an apology or recognition? Do they want the statue put back up? I’m not looking for heresay or rumor, but actual first hand knowledge.
For the record, do not care at all about the statue or Paterno. For me, there needs to be some meaningful engagement with alums who do have strong feelings about Paterno and things like academic ranking, tuition, admissions for PA residents, and alumni representation on the BOT.
Who the heck is we? Maybe I'm selfish, but I care a whole lot more about me.
I choose PSU, they didn't choose me. I paid for and got an education. After that, PSU owed me nothing, and I owed them the same.
I follow Penn State football because its good entertainment. Forty years ago, I'd have said the same thing about "Cheers".
Has the school really screwed up a lot of stuff over the years? Yep, Do I really care? Nope.
Will I watch PSU football next year? Yep. Did I mention its good entertainment.
I choose PSU, they didn't choose me. I paid for and got an education. After that, PSU owed me nothing, and I owed them the same.
I follow Penn State football because its good entertainment. Forty years ago, I'd have said the same thing about "Cheers".
Has the school really screwed up a lot of stuff over the years? Yep, Do I really care? Nope.
Will I watch PSU football next year? Yep. Did I mention its good entertainment.
Agree….but why should people still make these coaches and players pay for what was done a long time ago? How long does the football program have to pay?
So we stop supporting the football program because the BOT and the media treated the football program like crap? Seems like making things worse.
Where I stand on PSU...
- It was where I spent the best 4 years of my life, and will always hold a special place in my heart
- Any time I drive onto campus/College Ave, so many memories come back and I feel like I'm in a really special place
- My son is getting ready to enter High School. When he told us a few months ago that he wanted to go to Penn State, I told him that while that can be an option, we'll definitely consider schools like Rowan and Rutgers which are likely much better options (it did make me happy though when he questioned Rutgers but then said "that's right, everyone from Rutgers hates Penn State, but people from Penn State don't care about Rutgers").
- This (and the fact that I haven't given anything to the school in years) are completely due to the cost of an education, and the fact that I don't feel that the leadership today is a good steward of $ and/or cares about the mission of providing a quality education at an affordable price.
- The crap that the BOT is pulling in regards to minimizing the alumni voice/choices in elections, limiting public comments, lack of transparency and doing so much business behind closed doors, etc. impacts my willingness to give $ to PSU or send my children there, but will never impact the love that I have for my alma mater.
- I'm a huge PSU sports fan, support all of those that played for or coached at PSU...but also support PSU alums in the workforce/community, look to hire/pass along resumes of PSU alums, love connecting with PSU alums, and hope that our University continues to thrive.
I am we. My kids are we. My parents are we. My friends are we.
joe should have retired after Daryl Clark graduated in 2009 or even 2008 when Derrick Williams left. He proved that he was still great. He let himself get a little to old and the board finally had the guts or lack of to kick a good man when he was down. They brought the entire university to its knees.
Psu is not about football or any other one sport or one major Etc. it is a whole. Everything working together to make it a great institution of higher learning. yes you should donate to psu and all sports not just football. Scholarships help students. Alumni assoc, nil, nlc, etc help keep the whole university rolling and up to date and make us all proud when we visit.
My father worked there as a professor for 50 years and still is heavily involved at 93. Same with me, my friends, my family. So should you!!
joe should have retired after Daryl Clark graduated in 2009 or even 2008 when Derrick Williams left. He proved that he was still great. He let himself get a little to old and the board finally had the guts or lack of to kick a good man when he was down. They brought the entire university to its knees.
Psu is not about football or any other one sport or one major Etc. it is a whole. Everything working together to make it a great institution of higher learning. yes you should donate to psu and all sports not just football. Scholarships help students. Alumni assoc, nil, nlc, etc help keep the whole university rolling and up to date and make us all proud when we visit.
My father worked there as a professor for 50 years and still is heavily involved at 93. Same with me, my friends, my family. So should you!!
We were sanctimonious and it's part of why people took such delight in tearing us down
But what we were proud of was legit. Players graduated at a high clip. Black players graduated at the same level as white players and that didn't happen anywhere. Players were held accountable. Education mattered.
Does that not happen now? Does Franklin not hold the players accountable and challenge them to apply themselves as a college student?
More people out to get Penn State it seems….
www.si.com
Penn State to Appeal Academic Progress Rate With NCAA, Trustee Says
Penn State Trustee Brandon Short says the university is appealing a recent NCAA Academic Progress Rate report concerning the Nittany Lions football team.
www.si.com
I think Franklin, for the most part, Franklin does, but I don't like the antics of the field.
That article is from Aug 2023. Not new.More people out to get Penn State it seems….
Penn State to Appeal Academic Progress Rate With NCAA, Trustee Says
Penn State Trustee Brandon Short says the university is appealing a recent NCAA Academic Progress Rate report concerning the Nittany Lions football team.
I don’t hate the German people today because they spawned Hitler in the 30’s - Joe was not a perfect person and I wish he would have called the University and State College police the night that weasel McQuery came to him with his watered down story - then he could have said I went above and beyond and even put the University at risk for an allegation that may have been false - hindsight is always 20 20 but he could of done more and the Second Mile and University found a perfect scapegoat. My Daughter is there now and almost all the current students know little if anything about those days for better or worse - if you can’t get past it I understand but life goes on and no I don’t give PSU money except for my daughters tuition which I think is more than enough.
This thread confirms what most here realize. The Penn State Community is deeply divided. There are good, passionate, people on both sides. I would hope discussions like this will bring about greater understanding, and with understanding often comes respect. Many of these issues may have a middle ground that can bring us all closer together. To that end, the ad hominem attacks need to stop. Arguing at a middle school level serves no purpose but to widen the divide. That said, I will step off my soap box and eat a late dinner. May God bless us, every one.
Gotcha. Here’s more updated articles for context/edification. Thanks.
Penn State student-athletes post outstanding academic performance in fall 2024 | Penn State University
Penn State student-athletes posted another outstanding semester by recording a 3.32 term grade-point average (GPA) in the 2024 fall semester. The Nittany Lions had 636 students (77%) with a 3.0 semester GPA and 328 Dean’s List honorees (3.5 semester GPA). In addition, 75 full-time students...
www.psu.edu
Gotcha. Here’s more updated articles for context/edification. Thanks.
Penn State student-athletes post outstanding academic performance in fall 2024 | Penn State University
Penn State student-athletes posted another outstanding semester by recording a 3.32 term grade-point average (GPA) in the 2024 fall semester. The Nittany Lions had 636 students (77%) with a 3.0 semester GPA and 328 Dean’s List honorees (3.5 semester GPA). In addition, 75 full-time students...
Any word of unnamed nefarious forces undermining the football program?
Joe Paterno built and is Penn State. Without him, Penn State as you know it would not exist!
Penn State can not keep up without support of its fanbase. A good part of it is still rightfully angry and insulted.
BoT needs to step up and honor Paterno and family (and apologize) or we will be our perpetually building up a victory over SMU or some potato university as “progress.”
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Swallow pride, admit their mistake.
Tough stuff. But real leaders can make it so.
One person?! That “one person” built the football program that you see a remnant. And he made Penn State a world class university. Not just any person!
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