2021 Eagles Thread
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I was hugely impressed with Hurts against Washington. He’s a coach’s son, too. It was concerning how poorly he made his reads against TB but you have to think that it will eventually click for him. There’s no reason to think he’s another RG3. Honestly, I expect him to improve hugely next year.
Jim I can only hope you are correct!! But I think the pick he throw in the endzone shows one of the basic problems, and that is lack of arm strength
That was a bad read. At the point Hurts was throwing the ball on that play, I can't think of a single quarterback who could have made that throw.
you mean other than Rodgers, Brady, Herbert, Cousins, Stafford among a few. The ball needed to be thrown out of the back of the end zone, and he couldnt do that.
He wasn’t trying to throw the ball out of the back of the end zone. He was throwing to the front pylon. Your saying “he needed to throw the ball out of the back of the end zone” is just another way of saying it was a bad read. All those other quarterbacks you’re mentioning, if they had thrown to the front pylon just as Hurts had, it would have been incomplete, at best. Bad read. It wasn’t a bad arm that caused that interception. If you want to say that Hurts has a subpar arm, that’s a different discussion and I’m not going to argue with you. But picking that particular play as evidence of a subpar arm doesn’t work for me.
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no, the read was correct, he had the correct receiver, how ever he did not have the arm strength to deliver the ball accurately to the receiver. IIRC the C fall down and the Safety made the pick (without looking up the play again) If he had the arm strength he would have gotten the ball to the Receiver before the Safety could make a play. TD Eagles.
this should be TD Eagles might have to push play and move to about the 5:46 mark best I can do
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Okay, you’re saying here that it was the correct read, to throw to the front pylon. (Interception was made at the front pylon.) But in your previous post you said that “the ball needed to be thrown out of the back of the end zone.” So which was the correct read, throwing to the front pylon or throwing it out of the back of the end zone? Edit: check my follow up below.
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If the ball is thrown to the back of the EZ, I don't think it gets picked. You can see Smith is running toward back of EZ and then has to hit the brakes and come back to the ball. If he meant to throw at the near pylon, bad read. If he meant to throw to the back pylon, bad throw.
Good enough for me. Good clarification on front pylon, back pylon. (This is the kind of precise mathematicians appreciate.) I went back and edited my posts. I was taking about the front pylon. Likely Sluggo was talking about the back pylon.
I was talking about the receiver. ( thus the read). He picked the correct receiver but didn’t have the arm strength to deliver the ball accurately, which would be over the Safety head toward the back of the EZ
When you say read, to me that means the correct receiver. Ball placement is another factor
Bottom line: Hurts doesn’t appear to have the arm strength of the elite NFL QBs. He may or may not be otherwise serviceable, but they are not going to any SBs with Hurts.
All I can say is that Hurts was trying for the front pylon. The throw was a line drive to the front pylon, and he was not trying to throw to the back of the end zone. So you can’t say that he didn’t have enough arm to throw to the back of the end zone if he wasn’t trying to throw to the back of the end zone. He threw the ball from the 34-yard line and basically you’re saying here that he can’t throw the ball over 35 yards. If he was trying, actually trying, to throw the ball over the safety’s head, then what we saw was the worst throw ever and he doesn’t belong in the NFL.
They have to say that. I wouldn't put a ton of stock in it. I would lean toward it meaning that they are not drafting a QB this year, which I don't see as a long term endorsement of Hurts. They can stock up on players while they have him on a rookie contract for a few more years. If he happens to develop a lot in the next year, great. Otherwise, draft a QB in 2023 and have him on a rookie deal for a few years.
Okay and that’s why he went in the first round
True. And thats what concerns me. It’s hard to significantly change arm strength at This point
Heck if it were up to me I’d bring Nick Foles back
Sorry, my insinuation wasn’t clear. What you said was what I was getting at. Looks like the decision has been made to spend the first rounders on positions other than the QB. Whether that means all 3 get used this year (which I hope because it’s a wicked deep D class) or they see what happens and if someone gets drafted they wanted right before them and their next ranked player is graded in the second and trade down for an extra 1 next year. Point being, I don’t think they’ve decided Hurts is IT, I think they decided Hurts is it FOR NOW. Best thing that could have happened. Broadly speaking, QBs are always a gamble outside of your Lawrence’s and Luck’s of the game. Give me 3 first round graded defensive playmakers on rookie contracts any day over your garden variety first round QB’s not named Lawrence or Luck
The Penn Stater in me likes seeing this. The Eagles fan in me sees a "meh" Roseman reach due to positional need.
That’s my read too. “We just got out from a huge mistake trading two drafts for Wentz. The last thing we want is to trade another two for an iffy prospect or an expensive older veteran.”
Build a strong team and improve the woeful talent on defense. Solve QB later.
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It's hard to argue with it. If he was better at reading coverages he'd be better at finding open receivers.
OTOH......
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Harsh. I’m not the exes and ohs guy, but I saw enough evidence of this on Sunday.
Eagles anoint Hurts as QB of the future
Worst decision since hiring Joe Kuharich, or brilliant foresight?
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/jalen-hurts-remain-eagles-quarterback-next-season
Worst decision since hiring Joe Kuharich, or brilliant foresight?
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/jalen-hurts-remain-eagles-quarterback-next-season
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It just means he is the QB next year. I wouldn't assume this means he is the franchise QB for years to come.
The eagles need defense right now. Keeping Hurts on a rookie deal for next year is not a bad decision
It just means he
With this lean draft class, what can they do? Look at $40mil Dak. Scary long term choices coming.
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It just means he
I heard that as he’s our QB going into 2022, not that we’re building around him for 10 years.
Hurts may turn out to be very good. There are some big questions about whether he has the tools to do so.
Example: a weak arm AND a poor ability to see the field and make reads is usually a death sentence for an NFL QB.
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It just means he
"We got to do whatever we can to continue to help him develop," Roseman added. "And how do we do that? By surrounding him with really good players. Players continue to grow. That's a huge part of developing, they grow. How they are in their second year is not how they're going to be in Year 4, 5, 6, and 7. They're also products of the people around them, so that's on us to continue to build this team."
Sounds like WR, OL, and RB focused first round for Eagles fans.
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