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nittanyfan333 said:
maybe i'm thinking a little too deep here, but i think it's multifaceted. On one hand, Howie and Lurie REALLY want to keep Jalen around long term, so they're continuing to speak glowingly about him and tell everyone he deserves big $$ and big talent around him. however they also know that if you dedicate 15-20% of your cap to your QB, you're going to be screwed in terms of lots of high-end talent around him and mostly relying on draft homeruns to keep the talent pool high. Because of that, i think they're using the platform to continue to throw out there that they WANT to keep him surrounded by talent to keep the window open as long as possible, which requires $$. And every indication is that Jalen has winning #1 on his mind. And I think they're doing this in the media, as a way to get word directly to Jalen because everything i've seen tells me that the team deals with the agent directly, and not the player as much.
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The NFL franchise tag for QBs is $32M in 2023. That is 15% of the $228M salary cap figure. Most agree that $32M is way low compared the AAV of top-5 QB contracts and any reasonable starting point for a Hurts extension.

There is no world where Hurts accepts anything that won't be closer to 20% of the cap. $45M AAV is right at that number. That's a best case scenario where they can lock him up at current market rate for several years. QB salaries will only rise going forward.

Howie will have to build in a rising salary cap assumption to make this work. They asked Hurts to "prove it" in 2022. He did and now deserves to be paid market rate. If the Eagles don't like taking that risk, then it's their move.
 
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The NFL franchise tag for QBs is $32M in 2023. That is 15% of the $228M salary cap figure. Most agree that $32M is way low compared the AAV of top-5 QB contracts and any reasonable starting point for a Hurts extension.

There is no world where Hurts accepts anything that won't be closer to 20% of the cap. $45M AAV is right at that number. That's a best case scenario where they can lock him up at current market rate for several years. QB salaries will only rise going forward.

Howie will have to build in a rising salary cap assumption to make this work. They asked Hurts to "prove it" in 2022. He did and now deserves to be paid market rate. If the Eagles don't like taking that risk, then it's their move.
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OTOH the Eagles control him for 2 more years, at least. He is under contract next year, you could tag him in 2024 when the tag might be as low as $35 m? I am all for giving him a long term Mahomes type the deal. Though the Union will cringe.
 
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WestSideLion said:
The NFL franchise tag for QBs is $32M in 2023. That is 15% of the $228M salary cap figure. Most agree that $32M is way low compared the AAV of top-5 QB contracts and any reasonable starting point for a Hurts extension.

There is no world where Hurts accepts anything that won't be closer to 20% of the cap. $45M AAV is right at that number. That's a best case scenario where they can lock him up at current market rate for several years. QB salaries will only rise going forward.

Howie will have to build in a rising salary cap assumption to make this work. They asked Hurts to "prove it" in 2022. He did and now deserves to be paid market rate. If the Eagles don't like taking that risk, then it's their move.
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same page man. that's why i think Howie is trying to sweet talk a little. he messes around and lets Herbert or Jackson or Burrow sign first, he's looking at a reset market of 50m a year easy. he's trying to get in first, with a team friendly deal to keep talent, while paying Hurts what he deserves
 
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OTOH the Eagles control him for 2 more years, at least. He is under contract next year, you could tag him in 2024 when the tag might be as low as $35 m? I am all for giving him a long term Mahomes type the deal. Though the Union will cringe.
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If Hurts is "the guy," then you do right by him now. Look at Baltimore and Lamar. Howie doesn't want that bad juju hanging over what could be a contention window.
 
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If Hurts is "the guy," then you do right by him now. Look at Baltimore and Lamar. Howie doesn't want that bad juju hanging over what could be a contention window.
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and I agree, but what I said is also true, if Hurts doesnt take a deal soon, then go with what you have and start resigning guys you thought you would never have the money to do. Put together a good team for the next 2 yrs, deal with it then. Maybe even draft somebody (though I dont think there are any this yr worth a 1 st round pick) and be ready if things dont change.
 
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and I agree, but what I said is also true, if Hurts doesnt take a deal soon, then go with what you have and start resigning guys you thought you would never have the money to do. Put together a good team for the next 2 yrs, deal with it then. Maybe even draft somebody (though I dont think there are any this yr worth a 1 st round pick) and be ready if things dont change.
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Nothing would surprise me with Howie. I do think 1. he has a number in mind with Hurts and 2. I think Howie believes a big part of the success recipe is the surrounding cast. Hurts is not Mahomes. He's very good, but won't win titles with just any supporting cast like Mahomes can.
 
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Nothing would surprise me with Howie. I do think 1. he has a number in mind with Hurts and 2. I think Howie believes a big part of the success recipe is the surrounding cast. Hurts is not Mahomes. He's very good, but won't win titles with just any supporting cast like Mahomes can.
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Agree w all of that
 
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Ok who gets signed (with or without Hurts signed) and who gets tagged
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I really think you sign CJGJ, Graham (only it it's team friendly), Cox (only if it's team friendly) and TJ, tag Hargrave, let Bradberry walk and draft a CB with 10/DL with 30, let Joseph/Suh walk
 
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is this Hurts floor or ceiling?? IDK....but I would sure like to have Hurts than DC
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Report: Four-year, $150 million deal for Derek Carr

The Saints have not officially announced a deal with quarterback Derek Carr yet, but Carr confirmed reports that he's headed to New Orleans and some details about the deal he'll be signing have now been reported as well.
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I mean I cant figure out why you wouldnt use it on somebody!!! I thik CJGJ is worth the money as is Hargrave....
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Report: Eagles are not expected to use franchise tag

The Eagles have a long list of pending free agents who will hit the market when the new league year opens next week.
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Not a surprise. I indicated earlier in the thread that using the franchise tag is terrible with regards to managing the salary cap. it's a one-year tag, and the entire cost goes against that year's cap. With multi-year contracts, there are all kinds of ways to structure things so that even a large salary doesn't have a hit against the cap that is as large as the salary for that year.

I hope the Birds re-sign CJGJ. But if another team wants to overpay him, the Birds will figure something out that fits their cap.
 
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I mean I cant figure out why you wouldnt use it on somebody!!! I thik CJGJ is worth the money as is Hargrave....
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Report: Eagles are not expected to use franchise tag

The Eagles have a long list of pending free agents who will hit the market when the new league year opens next week.
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I just get the sneaking suspicion that Howie is about to do Howie things. I agree with what Tom said above, but at the same time someone like CJGJ or Hargrave are worth it to keep them around another year and extend the deal-making window for them another 365 days. I just feel like this is an indicator that Howie already knows what he wants to do and we're gonna see a tidal wave of moves here really soon, to include restructures and releases.

Taking my green-colored glasses off now
 
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Read a pretty scathing article by Marcus Hayes this morning on the firing/ non- hiring of the DB coach .
 
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Bkmtnittany1 said:
Read a pretty scathing article by Marcus Hayes this morning on the firing/ non- hiring of the DB coach .
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The real surprise in that is, sounds to me like Nick has control over the coaches which I don’t believe Doug did
 
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Bkmtnittany1 said:
Read a pretty scathing article by Marcus Hayes this morning on the firing/ non- hiring of the DB coach .
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The key part of your post is "Marcus Hayes."

The article in question appeared in the Monday print edition of the Inquirer. Hayes is a columnist of the Philadelphia Inquirer, not the beat writer for the paper (that's Jeff McLane).

Dennard Wilson was a very good DB coach, and his leaving the staff is a negative. But it was pretty much expected. Wilson interviewed for the DC position, but didn't get it. It would have been uncomfortable for the new DC and for Dennard Wilson for him to have stayed on the staff. In the few days between the announcement that Sean Desai was the new DC and word that Wilson was leaving, the head coach indicated in a carefully worded comment that he was unsure if Wilson would continue on the staff.

Marcus Hayes has a history of being provocative in his columns, though frequently his pronouncements turn out to be untrue. Hayes claims in the article that Head Coach Sirianni fired Wilson. There are other articles out there that Wilson informed Sirianni, after all of the Eagles coaches flew to the combine in Indianappolis, that he was not going to return as DB coach.

I've read pretty much all of the articles that have been written by the beat reporters that cover the Birds since the news that Wilson was departing came out. None of the beat reporters have indicated anything close to what Marcus Hayes stated in his column. That doesn't necessarily make Hayes' claims inaccurate. But in general, when a reporter has inside info that they publish, the others on the beat check with sources and confirm it and/or write their own article on basically the same info. That this hasn't happened in the past few days leads me to believe that Marcus Hayes was, once again, being Marcus Hayes.
 
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