Better Call Saul: Season 6 Discussion Thread

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And why wouldn't Don Eladio believe Hector? Hector is an original, he literally came with no evidence and said the accusations knowing full well he couldn't back any of it up, and still did so anyways.
At this point I think he knows that the Salamancas are essentially a dead group of street thugs. He sees Fring as the future as a quiet big earner. It is easy to dismiss Salamanca at this point from the power structure.
 

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I got a different impression. I thought Gus was attracted to him and then realized he could never have a relationship with him (considering how his ex went out).

Exactly where I expected it to go (still not certain it won’t). Made me think about what his relationship may have really involved with the student he helped that was his partner before being killed.
 
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At this point I think he knows that the Salamancas are essentially a dead group of street thugs. He sees Fring as the future as a quiet big earner. It is easy to dismiss Salamanca at this point from the power structure.
It was cool to watch Bolsa’s reaction. He knew that Gus had the ability to throw him under the bus for the shootout in the desert.
 

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“Pretend” is the operative word. Good that you brought up the “go easy,” which takes on a heightened melancholy meaning after Nacho’s father tells off Mike. How many truly noble characters are there in the BB-BCS canon? Shout out to Juan Carlos Cantù, who portrayed Mr. Vargas.

Also to Reed Diamond, who played David the wine bar waiter. Perfectly played.

Hank probably? Even he beat up Jesse, but him and his partner are as close as it gets. They never attempted to paint anyone at the DEA as dirty or nefarious that I can recall, which is surprising. It’s an easy route to go for lesser writers.
 
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Made me think about what his relationship may have really involved with the student he helped that was his partner before being killed.
They were romantically involved, right? That is the "ex" I was referring to. I thought that was implied, but maybe I read into it.
 

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I don't think Kim is done...the time jump was weird, but I think there will be some fill-in the gap scenes. G&G know she's a driving force in the show, and that just seems like a strangely abrupt way to drop her story. I'm interested in Mike's story now though...Gus does not seem all too pleased with him after he got outsmarted by Lalo, but his next task was finding new engineers, which could be a way to get Lydia (of Madrigal) back again.
 

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I found it very anticlimactic, and just seemed a little too matter of fact to wrap up storylines. That scene in the mall - was that a preview or just a commercial? Four episodes left, Kim is now out, Jimmy is full Saul, Gus is ready for Breaking Bad. Everything is pretty much ready for Breaking Bad. Is anything really left there? That leaves post BB and Gene.
How do you know Kim is “out”? 4 more episodes left. I have no expectations but to enjoy the final ride of Saul. I expect the time jump of one year to stay in place now with the exception of perhaps the last episode being totally dedicated to the Gene side of the story. This is Saul’s own story now, we know what happens in BB. I knew that Kim was gone when she kissed Jimmy in the HHM parking garage.
 
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The inspection sticker on Saul’s car when he pulls into the handicap space is 2005.
Can anyone read the date on the handicap tag that he puts on his mirror? You're probably right about 2005, but he seems like the kind of guy who doesn't renew his registration in a timely fashion.
 

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Can anyone read the date on the handicap tag that he puts on his mirror? You're probably right about 2005, but he seems like the kind of guy who doesn't renew his registration in a timely fashion.
It was 2008 on the handicapped tag but those tags are certified several years at a time.
 
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At the end of the episode, Jimmy says, “let Justice be done though the heavens fall” Chuck says the same thing before the trail where he wants Jimmy disbarred. Meaning Justice rules despite the consequences.
 
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At the end of the episode, Jimmy says, “let Justice be done though the heavens fall” Chuck says the same thing before the trail where he wants Jimmy disbarred. Meaning Justice rules despite the consequences.
So the juxtaposition of this quote with that of Mr. Vargas (to Mike: it’s not justice you’re talking about, it’s revenge) is supposed to tell us exactly what?
 

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So the juxtaposition of this quote with that of Mr. Vargas (to Mike: it’s not justice you’re talking about, it’s revenge) is supposed to tell us exactly what?

Fiat justitia ruat caelum​

Justice must be realized irregardless of the consequences. So, ultimately, in Saul’s case, as well as a plethora of others in both BCS & BB, there are consequences to doing bad things, physically, legally, and especially emotionally. Mr Varga was letting Mike know what he was proposing as Justice really wasn’t. Kind of ties into my field of psychology, stages of moral development




 
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Fiat justitia ruat caelum​

Justice must be realized irregardless of the consequences. So, ultimately, in Saul’s case, as well as a plethora of others in both BCS & BB, there are consequences to doing bad things, physically, legally, and especially emotionally. Mr Varga was letting Mike know what he was proposing as Justice really wasn’t. Kind of ties into my field of psychology, stages of moral development




Thank you.

I was also pondering how it pertains to Chuck. Saul says it because it sounds sophisticated and because his brilliant brother said it to him. But Chuck believed it. Mr. Vargas is reminding us of something we already know, that what Chuck was doing (trying to get Jimmy disbarred and suing Howard) was about revenge, not justice.
 

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How do you know Kim is “out”? 4 more episodes left. I have no expectations but to enjoy the final ride of Saul. I expect the time jump of one year to stay in place now with the exception of perhaps the last episode being totally dedicated to the Gene side of the story. This is Saul’s own story now, we know what happens in BB. I knew that Kim was gone when she kissed Jimmy in the HHM parking garage.

What I mean is that her storyline can easily be considered adequately wrapped up for BB purposes.
 

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Thank you.

I was also pondering how it pertains to Chuck. Saul says it because it sounds sophisticated and because his brilliant brother said it to him. But Chuck believed it. Mr. Vargas is reminding us of something we already know, that what Chuck was doing (trying to get Jimmy disbarred and suing Howard) was about revenge, not justice.

I have a hard time viewing Chuck as revenge, because at the end of the day he was right about Jimmy. Completely right. Jimmy at his core is nothing more than a scam artist, no matter whether he occasionally feels pangs of guilt or not. He does his scam, feels a little guilt, justifies it to himself, and then moves on to the next one. He is as bad a guy as there is.
 
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I have a hard time viewing Chuck as revenge, because at the end of the day he was right about Jimmy. Completely right. Jimmy at his core is nothing more than a scam artist, no matter whether he occasionally feels pangs of guilt or not. He does his scam, feels a little guilt, justifies it to himself, and then moves on to the next one. He is as bad a guy as there is.
Theirs is as complicated a brotherly relationship as you’d see in fiction. Take the opportunity to rewatch Michael McKean taking in the news that Jimmy is a bona fide lawyer. And then, at the karaoke bar afterwards, what a turnaround. I could go on for paragraphs.

On a slight tangent, one could look at Jimmy’s inability to hack it at Davis & Main as vindication of Chuck for his refusal to hire Jimmy at HHM. Like I said, paragraphs.
 
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Here’s a timeline for both shows. I was glad to find this, for my own reasons.

 

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Here’s a timeline for both shows. I was glad to find this, for my own reasons.

Season 6 of BCS takes place in the second half of 2004. The tag on the Lwyrup plates we saw in 6.09 (latest episode) has an expiration date of November 2005, which means that the final scene of the episode takes place in the November 2004-November 2005 time frame. (The handicap tag is good for four years.) Breaking Bad starts in September 2008.
 
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Season 6 of BCS takes place in the second half of 2004. The tag on the Lwyrup plates we saw in 6.09 (latest episode) has an expiration date of November 2005, which means that the episode takes place in the November 2004-November 2005 time frame. (The handicap tag is good for four years.) Breaking Bad starts in September 2008.
Whatcha think? Do we stay in 2005 and see an earlier version of Walt and Jesse, or does it fast forward immediately to 2008 in the next episode?

Doesn't Jesse say at some point that Saul got two of his buddies off (prior to 2008)?

My gut says we move forward and will catch up with Badger in jail pretty soon.
 

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Whatcha think? Do we stay in 2005 and see an earlier version of Walt and Jesse, or does it fast forward immediately to 2008 in the next episode?

Doesn't Jesse say at some point that Saul got two of his buddies off (prior to 2008)?

My gut says we move forward and will catch up with Badger in jail pretty soon.
What would be the reason for not fast forwarding into 2008? We’ve seen the full-blown Saul emerge with a snap of our fingers, and we’ve learned that this happened fairly quickly after Kim left. I think we’ll see a rapid segue into 2008. Four episodes left, I figure two taking place in Omaha.
 
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According to IMBD, Walt and Jesse make an appearance in E10 titled Nippy. Carol Burnett is also in this as well as, lo and behold, our old friend, the Squatcobbler, Wormald!!
 

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What would be the reason for not fast forwarding into 2008? We’ve seen the full-blown Saul emerge with a snap of our fingers, and we’ve learned that this happened fairly quickly after Kim left. I think we’ll see a rapid segue into 2008. Four episodes left, I figure two taking place in Omaha.
Pretty much agree, but I could maybe see them wanting to fill in the gap between 2004 and 2008. I think it would be way more interesting to get things from Saul's perspective from the BB period, but who knows.

I'll go with one extended episode in Omaha time frame, in which Kim returns.

Oh, and dude?...How dare you not read all my posts!
 
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Deleted the post because it was a feint on the BCS team. Photo was actually from E1S4 when Gene is in the hospital. So,

 
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Hank probably? Even he beat up Jesse, but him and his partner are as close as it gets. They never attempted to paint anyone at the DEA as dirty or nefarious that I can recall, which is surprising. It’s an easy route to go for lesser writers.
I think we all deserve a friend like Skinny Pete.

Edit: I’m responding to a post of mine, as well, in which I asked if there were truly noble characters in BB-BCS.
 
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I think we all deserve a friend like Skinny Pete.

Edit: I’m responding to a post of mine, as well, in which I asked if there were truly noble characters in BB-BCS.
I could make an argument that Jesse became a noble character.
And many of his prior detractions can be attributed to the actions of others, namely WW.
 
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