Clemson and SEC in talks

[Prestonyte]

Do they really? They have 15 conference championships and 3 undisputed national championships due to that choice.

That's a lot of "has been" muscle to now be a "middle of the road" team in the ACC. They would give their left and probably both testicle$ to be in the SEC at this time. SEC may hold a grudge after being "turned down" previously and return the favor.

 

[Rogue Cock]

That's a lot of "has been" muscle to now be a "middle of the road" team in the ACC. They would give their left and probably both testicle$ to be in the SEC at this time. SEC may hold a grudge after being "turned down" previously and return the favor.

Doubt it.....pure business decision. Conference commissioners don't hold grudges like fans do. For our sake, I'm glad they turned the SEC down last time.

 

[KingWard]

True....but not much different than Texas. Three NCs to 4 for UT and FSU's last one is more recent than UTs and FSU has more Heisman winners.

All I was really saying though was that FSU may not have that "residual value" but for joining the ACC.....and like Bama did with the right coach, they can still sell that residual value.

I certainly see your line of reasoning. Despite recent gross underachievement, I would put Texas certainly in the Top 10 all-time of legacy programs. As a brand and in terms of resources, I would put them higher than that - I'd say Top Six. I do not believe that Florida State compares in those aspects. Texas the school is as big an entity as Texas the state.

 

[Prestonyte]

Doubt it.....pure business decision. Conference commissioners don't hold grudges like fans do. For our sake, I'm glad they turned the SEC down last time.

yes, definitely a win for us.

 

[Prestonyte]

Doubt it.....pure business decision. Conference commissioners don't hold grudges like fans do. For our sake, I'm glad they turned the SEC down last time.

I've seen many a business decision based on hard feelings - right or wrong.

 

[Rogue Cock]

I certainly see your line of reasoning. Despite recent gross underachievement, I would put Texas certainly in the Top 10 all-time of legacy programs. As a brand and in terms of resources, I would put them higher than that - I'd say Top Six. I do not believe that Florida State compares in those aspects. Texas the school is as big an entity as Texas the state.

Texas is definitely an iconic program, much like SoCal, Oklahoma and UCLA.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

You can most likely expect an announcement from the B1G conference around B1G media days 2023.
New toe holds should be expected.

 

[Dutch Cock]

We're playing at Clemson and he's calling that a tossup?

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

We're playing at Clemson and he's calling that a tossup?

Who's calling that?

 

[Dutch Cock]

Who's calling that?

The guy in the 81 post.

 

[Thunderstick]

All in the past. In the present, they are sucking; they are irrelevant. In the end, historical importance is always back-weighted toward the contemporary. But they have enough residual value to be expansion-worthy - for now.

We don't even have a past! You must realize we are irrelevant too. This "holier-than-thou" attitude is laughable when you put down the garnet-colored glasses. I love the Gamecocks but I'm a realist.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

We don't even have a past! You must realize we are irrelevant too. This "holier-than-thou" attitude is laughable when you put down the garnet-colored glasses. I love the Gamecocks but I'm a realist.

Tater. Am I doing this right?

 

[Prestonyte]

We don't even have a past! You must realize we are irrelevant too. This "holier-than-thou" attitude is laughable when you put down the garnet-colored glasses. I love the Gamecocks but I'm a realist.

We are in the SEC and Fla St is not, and at this point in time, that is relevant. The choice they made may have been good for them short term but lacked the long vision.

 

[KingWard]

We don't even have a past! You must realize we are irrelevant too. This "holier-than-thou" attitude is laughable when you put down the garnet-colored glasses. I love the Gamecocks but I'm a realist.

You have totally misread my mood. Our situation versus theirs conference-wise is strictly a matter of historical anomaly and not at all related to merit. Nothing holier than thou about me. We caught a break that it took 20 years to realize. They screwed themselves in a way that also took decades to realize.

 

[HillsToSea]

Anyone who thinks Fla St. is going to stay down is wrong IMO

 

[Thunderstick]

Tater. Am I doing this right?

When you've depleted your inventory of reasonable points, then call someone a "Tater!" Sorry for you Jack...

 

[Thunderstick]

You have totally misread my mood. Our situation versus theirs conference-wise is strictly a matter of historical anomaly and not at all related to merit. Nothing holier than thou about me. We caught a break that it took 20 years to realize. They screwed themselves in a way that also took decades to realize.

I agree.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

When you've depleted your inventory of reasonable points, then call someone a "Tater!" Sorry for you Jack...

My response was in sarcastic blue font making fun of people on here calling others they disagree with "taters". I guess I shouldn't have assumed everyone knew what blue font meant. I was obviously wrong about that

 

[Lurker123]

My response was in sarcastic blue font making fun of people on here calling others they disagree with "taters". I guess I shouldn't have assumed everyone knew what blue font meant. I was obviously wrong about that

I misread it. Thought he was joining you in the joke.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

I misread it. Thought he was joining you in the joke.

Didn't sound like it to me "Jack".

 

[Prestonyte]

My response was in sarcastic blue font making fun of people on here calling others they disagree with "taters". I guess I shouldn't have assumed everyone knew what blue font meant. I was obviously wrong about that

I'm not tech savvy enough to keep up with the jargon, special characters and color meanings myself - we need a legend/guide for this stuff.
As I told a poster the other day, I missed your sarcasm because I couldn't see your face.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

I missed your sarcasm because I couldn't see your face.

That's why blue font was chosen a long, long time ago in a forum far, far away.
Plus I added a rhetorical question. Thought everything was covered.

 

[gamecock stock]

Been out since the SEC said it is standing pat.

Not surprised that the SEC was not willing to pay for any ACC school's exit fee. Would you?

$300 million??? Seriously??? clemson guy Roy Philpot puts the exit fee at $468 million. And you just know there would have to be 2 teams, not one, to add.

For any clemson fan to think that clemson brings $468 million value, or even $300 million value to the SEC, has a VERY inflated opinion of clemson. Sure, clemson has a brand name TODAY. Florida State had brand name in 2016, too. Not so much TODAY. Brand names come and go.

It has been 11 years between the SEC addition of TAM and Mizzou. The SEC has no reason to expand after Texas and Oklahoma, for a long, long time to come. If and when they do, how is the SEC going to ignore going into the large North Carolina and Virginia (DC) markets? THAT would be too enticing. Just about every conference that has expanded, has gone into new markets. You say, well, the SEC was already in the state of Texas when they brought in the Longhorns and Oklahoma. Big difference is that Texas is the 2nd largest state in the nation. With apologies to Texas A&M, BUT the Texas Longhorns are THE flagship university in the Lone Star state. Always has been (had their own TV network). Always will be.

If/when the SEC expands again, I look for the North Carolina Tar Heels and Virginia Cavs to be the targets. In addition to entrees into 2 huge TV markets, adding the Tar Heels and Cavs would add 2 needed very good basketball programs to the SEC, making the SEC the creme de la creme of collegiate conferences in the 2 major collegiate sports. The TV contract for SEC football and basketball would go parabolic. And before someone asks if the state legislatures of NC and Va would allow the Tar Heels and Cavs to leave without their in-state rivals, I would point to Texas A&M and Oklahoma leaving without their in-state rivals. Not only that, but articles saying that Florida State and clemson could be targets of the SEC, also include the Tar Heels and Cavs as potential targets of the SEC,

To be clear, I don't hate clemson. And I can understand clemson fans' desire to be in the SEC. But, the SEC has to clearly look out for number one.....itself. Regardless, it will probably be awhile before the SEC expands again, probably as much time as between the TAM/Mizzou additions and that of Texas and Oklahoma.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

Been out since the SEC said it is standing pat.

Not surprised that the SEC was not willing to pay for any ACC school's exit fee. Would you?

$300 million??? Seriously??? clemson guy Roy Philpot puts the exit fee at $468 million. And you just know there would have to be 2 teams, not one, to add.

For any clemson fan to think that clemson brings $468 million value, or even $300 million value to the SEC, has a VERY inflated opinion of clemson. Sure, clemson has a brand name TODAY. Florida State had brand name in 2016, too. Not so much TODAY. Brand names come and go.

It has been 11 years between the SEC addition of TAM and Mizzou. The SEC has no reason to expand after Texas and Oklahoma, for a long, long time to come. If and when they do, how is the SEC going to ignore going into the large North Carolina and Virginia (DC) markets? THAT would be too enticing. Just about every conference that has expanded, has gone into new markets. You say, well, the SEC was already in the state of Texas when they brought in the Longhorns and Oklahoma. Big difference is that Texas is the 2nd largest state in the nation. With apologies to Texas A&M, BUT the Texas Longhorns are THE flagship university in the Lone Star state. Always has been (had their own TV network). Always will be.

If/when the SEC expands again, I look for the North Carolina Tar Heels and Virginia Cavs to be the targets. In addition to entrees into 2 huge TV markets, adding the Tar Heels and Cavs would add 2 needed very good basketball programs to the SEC, making the SEC the creme de la creme of collegiate conferences in the 2 major collegiate sports. The TV contract for SEC football and basketball would go parabolic. And before someone asks if the state legislatures of NC and Va would allow the Tar Heels and Cavs to leave without their in-state rivals, I would point to Texas A&M and Oklahoma leaving without their in-state rivals. Not only that, but articles saying that Florida State and clemson could be targets of the SEC, also include the Tar Heels and Cavs as potential targets of the SEC,

To be clear, I don't hate clemson. And I can understand clemson fans' desire to be in the SEC. But, the SEC has to clearly look out for number one.....itself. Regardless, it will probably be awhile before the SEC expands again, probably as much time as between the TAM/Mizzou additions and that of Texas and Oklahoma.

I don’t see getting Virginia. They bring nothing to increases the price per team. It’s about football nothing else. Basketball moves the needle very little. Football is 80%.

 

[gamecock stock]

I don’t see getting Virginia. They bring nothing to increases the price per team. It’s about football nothing else. Basketball moves the needle very little. Football is 80%.

And the SEC is already the strongest in football. But, their men's basketball (the other 20%) needs pumping up. And Virginia does bring in the 12th largest state in the nation plus the Washington, DC area. If the SEC can add the North Carolina and Virginia basketball programs to that of Kentucky's, THAT would give the SEC a basketball portfolio 2nd to none.

 

[Sparklecity]

SEC should feel good about expansion, but these teams might feel a bit uneasy

The SEC would be stronger if it booted a couple of programs in favor of adding even more football firepower.

www.saturdaydownsouth.com

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

At least we weren't mentioned.

 

[Lurker123]

That's why blue font was chosen a long, long time ago in a forum far, far away.
Plus I added a rhetorical question. Thought everything was covered.

I'd never heard of blue font being used that way, but you learn something new every day.

 

[Lurker123]

Regardless, it will probably be awhile before the SEC expands again, probably as much time as between the TAM/Mizzou additions and that of Texas and Oklahoma.

I disagree. There is a very large domino in south bend that kick this right back into gear in a year or two.

Also, about the 300 million. The numbers I've seen thrown around (admittedly on message boards) have the SEC outearning the acc by 30-50 million a year per team. With that delta, teams could pay their own buy out even if it wasn't reduced in a court battle.

 

[Rogue Cock]

SEC should feel good about expansion, but these teams might feel a bit uneasy

The SEC would be stronger if it booted a couple of programs in favor of adding even more football firepower.

www.saturdaydownsouth.com

That was a poorly reasoned article. Adding 2/3 more Florida schools would help other teams in the SEC? Seriously? It would more than likely dilute the talent leaving Florida for the out-of-state schools. And IIRC Vanderbilt is a charter member and gives the SEC some academic credence that few if any other schools could do....seriously doubt they'd be kicked out for any reason. He's spit-balling.

 

[Rogue Cock]

I'd never heard of blue font being used that way, but you learn something new every day.

It was only the former site, but only a few posters actually used it regularly.

 

[gamecock stock]

That was a poorly reasoned article. Adding 2/3 more Florida schools would help other teams in the SEC? Seriously? It would more than likely dilute the talent leaving Florida for the out-of-state schools. And IIRC Vanderbilt is a charter member and gives the SEC some academic credence that few if any other schools could do....seriously doubt they'd be kicked out for any reason. He's spit-balling.

Rogue, you don't think the SEC needs to shore up its football strength? LOL

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

I'd never heard of blue font being used that way, but you learn something new every day.

Need to get out more Lurker?

 

[Rogue Cock]

Rogue, you don't think the SEC needs to shore up its football strength? LOL

Nope! Everyone can't finish at the top.....there is always going to be some losers.

 

[gamecock stock]

Nope! Everyone can't finish at the top.....there is always going to be some losers.

Expansion, for the SEC, has always been about adding eyeballs, expanding its market reach. North Carolina and Virginia are the only southern states not in its portfolio, at this time.

 

[Rogue Cock]

Expansion, for the SEC, has always been about adding eyeballs, expanding its market reach. North Carolina and Virginia are the only southern states not in its portfolio, at this time.

I believe that is ultimately true for everyone....and I don't see that changing with any new expansion. And NC and Va will be a battleground for at least 2 conferences.

 

[Lurker123]

I believe that is ultimately true for everyone....and I don't see that changing with any new expansion. And NC and Va will be a battleground for at least 2 conferences.

I'm wondering if adding eyeballs is as directly related to geographical expansion like it was in the past.

 

[Rogue Cock]

I'm wondering if adding eyeballs is as directly related to geographical expansion like it was in the past.

I would think a combination of both....many of college football viewers didn't grow up streaming. They won't give up geographical expansion that quickly, especially when it can add some interesting matchups.

 

[Prestonyte]

I believe that is ultimately true for everyone....and I don't see that changing with any new expansion. And NC and Va will be a battleground for at least 2 conferences.

Which 2?

 

[Rogue Cock]

Which 2?

SEC and B1G. Could also see the Big 12 getting involved. I don't believe there will only be 2 power conferences.....3 maybe with 24 teams each.