Hey Franklin haters, is a playoff game a big game? Win or go home. Elimination. Season ends.
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lol. Thanks for this. (Why I said this I’m sure you will know.)
Some talking heads on TV speculated that the BYU bowl game would be PRIME.
‘s last at colorado. Granted he‘s a name and is charismatic, but where is he going after these two mediocre seasons at colorado? Is jerry jones going to hire him to replace McCarthy?
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Living 50 years ago. Other than that 2 seasons 86 and 94. Not like things have changed.
I'm sure you'll find Franklin record in Big Ten play, sanctions and COVID included is as good as Joe’s. But hey, we deserve better.
Every win is a big win. Every Saturday half the teams in college football lose.
BOWLING Green was a big win. Lose that one there is no game tomorrow If Bama beats Vandy or Ole Miss beats Kentucky they are likely in the playoffs. Consistent winning (33 games in 3 years) is extremely difficult. BWICAC members are
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Some talking heads on TV speculated that the BYU bowl game would be PRIME.
The bowl game announcers where certainly enamored with Colorado. They kept talking them up over and over, even in the quiet time after BYU scored over and over again on them.
Go state beat blue hens yawn. The 4-17 record v big boys all that matters
ask Alabama fans how big the game against Vanderbilt was
their 0-1 record vs Vandy this year freaking mattered
I think Joe was 95-54. James 64-33.
James took over a program in the midst of draconian sanctions.
I asked because I think fair minded folks will concede that James has PSU right where it belongs historically. Looking at PSU as an independent 50 years ago and claiming those peak years are attainable in the 21st century is just fanboy foolish.
PSU in terms of total wins and all time win % is about 7-12. Given the current NIL situation, PSU recruits 12 -18. We deserve to be 6-15 most years. The fact that Ohio State, Michigan and now Oregon will likely be in the 5-11 teams in the nation most seasons is reality. Claiming it's the coaches fault is what's fans do. Because they don't know any better and don't wish to be confused by facts.
No one is forced to tolerate it. But I keep "putting it out there" in response to those, who by your definition, are not among the 95%.
I'm confused why constantly criticizing Franklin is ok but defending him is drivel.
96-24 SIX MORE YEARS!
An extension and a raise please!
96-24. Thank you James. An extension and more money awaits. 6+ more years PLEASE.
Can you calculate that win percentage again for us? I’m hitting the mid afternoon doldrums at work and need a good laugh.
You seem determined to continue dissing Joe and propping up Franklin. I'm not sure why.
The thing I tried to point is that Franklin has failed in big games like OSU. 10-2 is great but I think fans would accept a few 8-4 seasons if we could win a conference title or make a NC run every 4th or 5th season. Joe had his struggles but he had a long history of being able to do that.
2 times in 40 years....so you want to give JF 30 more to win 2....seems fair. I do agree comparing the 2 is idiotic. Joe won as an independent with no playoffs and the game has changed quite a bit since his last real run. PSU is as healthy now as a program as they have been since Joe left and part of the reason they fell behind is Joe was old and they got lazy (his words too). He let other programs pass him by, but that milk is already spilled and dry....time to move forward even if with the bots kicking and screaming as we don't have a Joe guy running the program or crying about statues.
The people still complaining about James cannot even give a decent name of a replacement coach that is actually feasible....so mostly it's just look at me crying.
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Being #1 is being #1. Winning a conference title is winning a conference tile. Finishing in the top 10 is finishing in the top 10.
You talk about Joe like he was only good 50 years ago. He won 2 BiG titles and finished in the top 10 3 times in his last 6 seasons.
One area where I think we agree is that NIL and open portal has changed the landscape of college football. And it's just getting started. Players like Allar, Singleton, Carter, etc. chose PSU before NIL was a thing. I don't think Joe could have handled that. He was too concerned about academics and developing players as citizens. I don't think he would have been able to deal with rerecruiting his existing players every year.
He can get that monkey off his back by winning two more games this season. A loss tomorrow would just fuel the flames.
So the bar this below "average" coach has set is MNC title game or bust.....seems like a level and rational well thought out plan. Considering PSU recruits top 5 every year (once in about decade) and is leading in NIL (not even close to leading) this is pretty realistic...it's probably those that thinking the guy winning 10-11+ games a year isn't a failure are the people who have it backwards.
That's not a good response. Joe also had 5 undefeated untied teams. He had a dozen top 5 finishes and he won 2 BiG titles in his final 6 years. He was 24-12 in bowl games which typically meant good opponents.
Franklin has a chance for his first top 5 finish if he beats Boise tomorrow. I'm hoping he gets it.
He still only had 2 titles in 46 years and that is currently the bar people have set for JF. The funny thing is those same people who say that is where PSU is at currently also say he isn't doing good as a coach. It's pretty easy to talk out of both sides of your mouth, but you cannot say the HC or program are in poor shape if you expect a MNC or bust. Just saying....your arguments don't really hold water. Joe is also the reason the program as a whole fell behind others...hate saying that but it very much true. Just as saying PSU can compete for MNC's is also due to Joe.
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It's a fan and media narrative. If PSU loses, Franklin and staff travel back to State College. By Friday they will be working on 2025. There are literally thousands of guys coaching football at all levels that would give anything to have Franklin's monkey on their back. LOL
Do you promise? The “nfm” part. Is that all inclusive?
That's true. Nebraska is a great example. Same with Lincoln Riley at USC.
Joe didn't take over a program with worst sanctions (next to the death penalty), ever handed down by the NCAA. A program that was being sabotaged by its own BOT. A University whose reputation was in the gutter as well.
That's not true
Disappointed at 1-10 vs OSU is not the same as disappointed he hasn't won the National Championship. It won't be a good look if PSU loses to Boise (their last chance at a top 10 win). A win over Boise + ND/GA would be big for Franklin & the program.
That is your truth, not mine. A win over Boise only validates him further. As he would have finished the year in the top 4 and he will end up in the top 4.
PSU already has a top ten win (last week) so let’s get that lazy argument out of the way.
Wrong. I'm the biggest Joebot ever. My intent is to compare apples to apples. How does James compare to Joe in Big 10 play?The answer is not what Franklin haters want to hear.
You cool w his record against the big boys. If so, why?
The CJF narrative isn’t just this site and PSU fans. The national narrative is that he can’t win a big game. As much as I like CJF, I can’t dispute the label. It’s true.
Beating Boise doesn’t validate squat in so far as changing the perception. We are big FAVORITES. Winning BOise and beating whomever is next would be one giant step for Franklin; One giant leap to altering the perception.
Beating Boise doesn’t validate squat in so far as changing the perception. We are big FAVORITES. Winning BOise and beating whomever is next would be one giant step for Franklin; One giant leap to altering the perception.
He’d get the crown and cape! His image would be etched on Mt Nittany. All sins would be erased by shaking the etch e sketch….
This is such a ridiculous argument. Franklin has been good at Penn State, I have no doubt about that. His team’s haven’t done well enough in big games, I also have no doubt about that. Am I crazy to think that the majority of posters in here would agree with that?