Hey Franklin haters, is a playoff game a big game? Win or go home. Elimination. Season ends.

laKavosiey-st lion

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This is such a ridiculous argument. Franklin has been good at Penn State, I have no doubt about that. His team’s haven’t done well enough in big games, I also have no doubt about that. Am I crazy to think that the majority of posters in here would agree with that?
It’s his record not mine. I’m always about the maths. The numbers.
 

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I’m always about the maths. The numbers.
Dude, you only last week muddled up Franklin’s W-L percentage against Top 10 teams in spectacular fashion. Posters are still mentioning it. For that reason alone, I have a hard time accepting that you’re about the maths.

Here’s the thing, you said that 4-17 was 8%. There’s no way you made any sort of calculation mistake: you flat out guessed. (As has been pointed out, 4 W and 17 L is 4/21, 19.05%.) You’re not about the math, that’s fine, I myself am painfully awkward at statistics. It’s good enough to say “4-17 is bad.” But don’t pretend to be “all about the math,” okay. Please don’t take us for idiots. It’s insulting.
 

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It’s his record not mine. I’m always about the maths. The numbers.
We’ve got you at one extreme where Franklin is no good just because of that 4-17 without acknowledging some reasons why it is as bad as it is. At the other extreme is Marshall who will not accept that is a bad record simply because Franklin is a football coach and as such, can do no wrong. But I think in between is the vast majority of Penn State football fans.
 

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We’ve got you at one extreme where Franklin is no good just because of that 4-17 without acknowledging some reasons why it is as bad as it is. At the other extreme is Marshall who will not accept that is a bad record simply because Franklin is a football coach and as such, can do no wrong. But I think in between is the vast majority of Penn State football fans.
I’m fine with Franklin, look forward to at huskies and at O next 3 years, love the whole thing with moms, my 2 sons and all their friends. I’m frustrated with the admin being too chix to go for it on a young unproven O genius. ‘We don’t want to be Nebraska” schit is laughable. Being 1-10 v OSU is not at all laughable. Silly, but not funny.
So if someone brags about this coach, I’m your 1-10/4-17 guy, cause big game Jim has shown he can’t do it.

as for crying tears and being miserable, come join my crew of 25 at new wave, we’ll be killing it win or lose. I’ll be wearing 83 in honor of Joe j s daughter
 

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That is your truth, not mine. A win over Boise only validates him further. As he would have finished the year in the top 4 and he will end up in the top 4.
This is pretty much what I said. It seems you just want to argue.

Franklin has an overall good record but it's quite poor against top 10 and top 5 teams. That's the criticism against him. You have to know that's true.

As good as this season has been PSU has yet to beat a top 10 team. A win over #8 Boise would help Franklin's "Big Game" reputation a lot and guarantee a top 5 finish. A loss opens the floodgates to more criticism. Perhaps you think fans & media would back off and say beating SMU was good enough. I think that's Fantasyland thinking.

A second win vs ND or GA would be a top 5 win and would do even more to shut up the critics.
 

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So what percentage equivalent is a record of 4-17?

Maths so easy, even an ex-electrician could do it.
If LaKa had taken two minutes to think things over and had a calculator handy he would have figured it out. I would tell my students, “There’s only so many things you can try. You’ll figure it out.” Just don’t guess 8% and then say you’re all about the math.
 

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The CJF narrative isn’t just this site and PSU fans. The national narrative is that he can’t win a big game. As much as I like CJF, I can’t dispute the label. It’s true.

Beating Boise doesn’t validate squat in so far as changing the perception. We are big FAVORITES. Winning BOise and beating whomever is next would be one giant step for Franklin; One giant leap to altering the perception.
Mostly agree but Boise is ranked #8. Top 10 wins are good.
 

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Kiffin is something like 2-11 vs top 5 teams also.
True but I don't think Ole Miss is viewed as a blue-blood program like USC and Nebraska. I don't think expectations are the same there.
 
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That's not a good response. Joe also had 5 undefeated untied teams. He had a dozen top 5 finishes and he won 2 BiG titles in his final 6 years. He was 24-12 in bowl games which typically meant good opponents.

Franklin has a chance for his first top 5 finish if he beats Boise tomorrow. I'm hoping he gets it.
Joe also lost 9 straight to Michigan. 13-33 all time vs top 10 teams. 0-4 vs Bear Bryant. I’m not discounting what he accomplished, but the premise that he only had good seasons is misleading. He had a very large sample size so there were some really good seasons, some really bad seasons, and a whole lot somewhere in the middle.
 
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True but I don't think Ole Miss is viewed as a blue-blood program like USC and Nebraska. I don't think expectations are the same there.
No, but Kiffin is viewed as one of the better coaches in football right now. It’s more about him and his inability to win big games despite getting good recruits and utilizing the portal to a large extent.
 

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1-10 is 9.09%. How did you get 13%? Why don’t you believe us when we said 19%? All about the math?
Laka has me on ignore. Can someone ask him how he got 1-10 to be 13%? I’m dying to know.
 

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Ffs, you can’t handle the truth. It’s a valid reference point. You remind me of that line in the Hangover when the one guys says, “don’t let the beard fool you, he’s a child”
The name calling is funny to me. As 1 told us when he was 16, I’m a grown *** man. And there’s nothing manly about losing to OSU every year 1-10/4-17
 

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The name calling is funny to me. As 1 told us when he was 16, I’m a grown *** man. And there’s nothing manly about losing to OSU every year 1-10/4-17
this is 40 man GIF
 
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You seem determined to continue dissing Joe and propping up Franklin. I'm not sure why.

The thing I tried to point is that Franklin has failed in big games like OSU. 10-2 is great but I think fans would accept a few 8-4 seasons if we could win a conference title or make a NC run every 4th or 5th season. Joe had his struggles but he had a long history of being able to do that.
We’re making a NC run right now.
 

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Living 50 years ago. Other than that 2 seasons 86 and 94. Not like things have changed.
There have been some near misses since…but none under Franklin.

Maybe this year?

Will eventually have to beat a team with a pulse.

Will believe it when I see it.

You are what your record says you are: COACH Bill Parcells.
 

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I'm sure you'll find Franklin record in Big Ten play, sanctions and COVID included is as good as Joe’s. But hey, we deserve better.
Joe was around a long time.

Even in his declining years he won a few big games - even on the road. Franklin? Zero. And I would assume this is Franklin’s prime?

During Joe’s prime? Franklin would have been a grad assistant level in comparison.

Maybe this will change this year?

Charlie Brown also thought Lucy would let him kick the ball…

Ain’t going to get any easier as college football continues to morph into NFL minor leagues. Then football strategy will reign supreme.

Ever think why you never hear Franklin’s name come up for NFL jobs? Ever offered a Head Coach/GM/partial ownership?

Yeah…that’s what I thought…
 
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I think Joe was 95-54. James 64-33.
James took over a program in the midst of draconian sanctions.
I asked because I think fair minded folks will concede that James has PSU right where it belongs historically. Looking at PSU as an independent 50 years ago and claiming those peak years are attainable in the 21st century is just fanboy foolish.
PSU in terms of total wins and all time win % is about 7-12. Given the current NIL situation, PSU recruits 12 -18. We deserve to be 6-15 most years. The fact that Ohio State, Michigan and now Oregon will likely be in the 5-11 teams in the nation most seasons is reality. Claiming it's the coaches fault is what's fans do. Because they don't know any better and don't wish to be confused by facts.
Franklin also inherited a program foundation built by Joe - with fan support second to none.
 

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No one is forced to tolerate it. But I keep "putting it out there" in response to those, who by your definition, are not among the 95%.
I'm confused why constantly criticizing Franklin is ok but defending him is drivel.
It’s drivel because you kept making a case that is 1+1 =4
 
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The CJF narrative isn’t just this site and PSU fans. The national narrative is that he can’t win a big game. As much as I like CJF, I can’t dispute the label. It’s true.

Beating Boise doesn’t validate squat in so far as changing the perception. We are big FAVORITES. Winning BOise and beating whomever is next would be one giant step for Franklin; One giant leap to altering the perception.
Marshall will not agree. 1+1 =4
 

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Joe didn't take over a program with worst sanctions (next to the death penalty), ever handed down by the NCAA. A program that was being sabotaged by its own BOT. A University whose reputation was in the gutter as well.
He also did not take over a program with a foundation as good as any - ever.
 

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Joe didn't take over a program with worst sanctions (next to the death penalty), ever handed down by the NCAA. A program that was being sabotaged by its own BOT. A University whose reputation was in the gutter as well.
Joe built the GD program.
 

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It's a fan and media narrative. If PSU loses, Franklin and staff travel back to State College. By Friday they will be working on 2025. There are literally thousands of guys coaching football at all levels that would give anything to have Franklin's monkey on their back.
And some programs play to win.
 
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Based upon beating SMU at home in 15 degree weather?

Long way to go.
Based on making the playoffs….that’s how you make a run these days. More of a run than ‘68, ‘69’ ‘73 and ‘94 where we weren’t even in the game that decided the NC.
 

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Based on making the playoffs….that’s how you make a run these days. More of a run than ‘68, ‘69’ ‘73 and ‘94 where we weren’t even in the game that decided the NC.
Agreed…win 2 more games and then it will be a “run”

lose this week as an 11.5 point favorite on a neutral field? A major flop.