Hey Franklin haters, is a playoff game a big game? Win or go home. Elimination. Season ends.

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Right,,,,run with it. I just saw Sirianni go for it on 4th and 7 (not 4th and half a yard) at midfield while chasing a point. 6:30 on the clock with 2 timeouts....he got it though so you won't hear a word. Sorry it's not 1982 anymore and new more aggressive coaches are taking over the game. Again PSU was up 2 scores at the time and he was trying to jump start the offense....if he had punted I wouldn't have blinked too. I get feaux outrage is the norm online but you can be pretend upset all you want to...later.
It’s not outrage, it’s just acknowledging an idiotic move. Up 14-0, why do you need to jumpstart the offense? If you’ve given up 0 points, why would you risk giving the opponent the ball automatically in scoring territory? It was a dumb decision, plain and simple. Support it if you want to but it was idiotic.
 

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It’s not outrage, it’s just acknowledging an idiotic move. Up 14-0, why do you need to jumpstart the offense? If you’ve given up 0 points, why would risk giving the opponent the ball automatically in scoring territory? It was a dumb decision, plain and simple. Support it if you want to but it was idiotic.
It’s ok if you don’t understand why or disagree. Your hindsight is amazing too. I understand why IMO he did it, but I’m not the genius so many other keyboards are. Call it idiotic if you need to, you’re not making any real calls. Just a touch of reality here and think why he was doing it? I’m sure you had the fake punt called too!!! A coach went for it, you disagree…. That is all. It doesn’t move the needle for me like others. I’ve seen plenty of aggressive coaching in the last decade besides him. Sometimes you get burnt. People opinions of their opinions is overrated on this board.
 
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That SMU QB who was "not impressive" had been impressive all year long, and was talked up by all the commentators as being a stud ... maybe it was the impressive PSU D that made him rattled?
He look great v Clemson? I thought he was a mess.
 

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You're not going to be raked over the coals by fans of biochemistry companies on BiochemistsIllustrated.com for not meeting that goal.

sports is a unique enterprise, for example sosa’s contract (or big game jims for that matter)
 

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You're not going to be raked over the coals by fans of biochemistry companies on BiochemistsIllustrated.com for not meeting that goal.

sports is a unique enterprise, for example sosa’s contract (or big game jims for that matter)
Or Ryan Howard, unfortunately
 

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Good grief. You flip flop and move the goal posts more than a politician. Go back and read your posts from last night.
It was fun while it lasted but Texas far out gunned them. But back to my original point, this weekend went chalk and did it easily. INDIANA beats SMU, yes?
 

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fun to watch but never really in doubt but if you think smu getting beat by Clemson makes PSU s win over a freezing cold over matched untalented QB a big accomplishment then so be it. We can have the same convo after we smoke boise (10 pt favs)
 

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fun to watch but never really in doubt but if you think smu getting beat by Clemson makes PSU s win over a freezing cold over matched untalented QB a big accomplishment then so be it. We can have the same convo after we smoke boise (10 pt favs)
I’m sorry winning a playoff game against the 10th ranked team in the country isn’t enough for you, but that’s on you. The portal is open.
 

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You're not going to be raked over the coals by fans of biochemistry companies on BiochemistsIllustrated.com for not meeting that goal.

sports is a unique enterprise, for example sosa’s contract (or big game jims for that matter)

That completely missed the point of the statement, spanky. It was about goals v. standards. Don't you have an imaginary trip to Ireland to plan? Or an imaginary car to buy? No wonder you're so jealous of Franklin - he has as many jobs as you, and he's not even retired (despite being worth so much more).
 
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It’s ok if you don’t understand why or disagree. Your hindsight is amazing too. I understand why IMO he did it, but I’m not the genius so many other keyboards are. Call it idiotic if you need to, you’re not making any real calls. Just a touch of reality here and think why he was doing it? I’m sure you had the fake punt called too!!! You’re a good poster so stop being so insecure. A coach went for it, you disagree…. That is all. People opinions of their opinions is overrated in this free board. Barely any thought put into it.
Insecure? That makes no sense.
The upside of getting that first down greatly paled in comparison to the risk of not getting it. You’re looking at it only from the perspective of the offense. Instead of trying to “jumpstart” the offense I would trust the defense and hope the offense can jumpstart themselves on the next possession.
Again, as I said it was the type of call he’s made in the past that he seemed to move away from this year. I was very complimentary of him doing so. I’m not an anti-Franklin guy by any means. I am absolutely an anti-going for it on 4th and half a yard on my own 19 when the offense hasn’t done anything yet and the team is up 14. I’m not saying fire the guy but I’m not going to blindly support him on a needless high-risk/low-reward calls.
 

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I’m sorry winning a playoff game against the 10th ranked team in the country isn’t enough for you, but that’s on you. The portal is open.
We tried to send him to the Blue Hens for a bag of opened and pre-licked Pop Rocks - they didn't want him. So now he just creeps around a high school with which he has no affiliation, mumbling to himself about Franklin. Ain't that right, @laKavosiey-st lion?
 
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Insecure? That makes no sense.
The upside of getting that first down greatly paled in comparison to the risk of not getting it. You’re looking at it only from the perspective of the offense. Instead of trying to “jumpstart” the offense I would trust the defense and hope the offense can jumpstart themselves on the next possession.
Again, as I said it was the type of call he’s made in the past that he seemed to move away from this year. I was very complimentary of him doing so. I’m not an anti-Franklin guy by any means. I am absolutely an anti-going for it on 4th and half a yard on my own 19 when the offense hasn’t done anything yet and the team is up 14. I’m not saying fire the guy but I’m not going to blindly support him on a needless high-risk/low-reward calls.
The chances of not converting it were minimal, so that needs to be factored into the equation. Of course, the "minimal" happened, but that doesn't make it the wrong decision. Just like if you punted from the 50 to be "safe" and it ended up being blocked and returned for a TD. The chances of that happening are slim, and just because it happens doesn't make it the wrong call (it generally is the wrong call, but that's not what makes it as such). If the payoff was slim here, so was the probability of something going wrong. But, sometimes, poop happens.
 
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Insecure? That makes no sense.
The upside of getting that first down greatly paled in comparison to the risk of not getting it. You’re looking at it only from the perspective of the offense. Instead of trying to “jumpstart” the offense I would trust the defense and hope the offense can jumpstart themselves on the next possession.
Again, as I said it was the type of call he’s made in the past that he seemed to move away from this year. I was very complimentary of him doing so. I’m not an anti-Franklin guy by any means. I am absolutely an anti-going for it on 4th and half a yard on my own 19 when the offense hasn’t done anything yet and the team is up 14. I’m not saying fire the guy but I’m not going to blindly support him on a needless high-risk/low-reward calls.
I’m saying I can see why he did it and I understand the risk. He’s not the only coach going for it in their own half with that down and distance. Different era of football right now. I don’t know what the percentages were for PSU this year with that play and distance. Just a guess but I’m thinking it was probably close to 90%? Just a guess and I could be off, but I bet that staff knew.

Seeing both sides isn’t blindly supporting anyone. It’s looking at one play and analyzing it. I would have punted but I’m a little old school. Sean Payton would drive Saints fans crazy sometimes. Sirianni drives Eagles fans crazy. Some decent coaches are aggressive and they also all get burnt too. Great talk, but I’m over it. He went, he missed. On to Boise.
 
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More likely to happen:

a) raise for CJF
b) extension for CJF
c) both a & b
d) nothing - stay the course
e) some school with deep pockets makes CJF an offer he can’t refuse….
f) You're going to cry about it, whether it's a, b, c, d, e or any other letter of the alphabet.
 

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I can argue it. PSU was up 2 scores and it was a half yard that they had been picking up all year long. It was also a poor spot as they did actually pick it up. Had it been a one score game or a tie I don't think he does it. If you're only aggressive when your trailing, you're not aggressive and you are playing catch up.

You cannot say your an aggressive coach and then bail when it's time to actually be aggressive. The O needed a jumpstart at that point in the game. It also shows the defense he has 100% confidence in them. You can nitpick any call after the fact and the only ones that ever get called out are the ones that fail. I get that people didn't like it which is completely fair, but with the lead and all of the time left...I can see it.
Counterpoint: modern “analytic” coaching (in all levels of the sport) makes for bad football, especially if said analytics diminish your momentum (which they clearly did yesterday). Or put another way - sometimes a punt is a really great play.
 
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Counterpoint: modern “analytic” coaching (in all levels of the sport) makes for bad football, especially if said analytics diminish your momentum (which they clearly did yesterday). Or put another way - sometimes a punt is a really great play.
It’s true. A punt is a great play. More than 1 thing can be true sometimes. Some coaches today push the envelope. None get them all right either.
 
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I’m saying I can see why he did it and I understand the risk. He’s not the only coach going for it in their own half with that down and distance. Different era of football right now. I don’t know what the percentages were for PSU this year with that play and distance. Just a guess but I’m thinking it was probably close to 90%? Just a guess and I could be off, but I bet that staff knew.

Seeing both sides isn’t blindly supporting anyone. It’s looking at one play and analyzing it. I would have punted but I’m a little old school. Sean Payton would drive Saints fans crazy sometimes. Sirianni drives Eagles fans crazy. Some decent coaches are aggressive and they also all get burnt too. Great talk, but I’m over it. He went, he missed. On to Boise.
Fair enough.
I’ll just leave it at this. Whether it works or not, it’s a bad decision. If they got the first down, it would have been fortunate that the bad decision worked out. If they didn’t get the first down, it would have been unfortunate that the bad decision didn’t work out for them. But either way, it was a bad decision in that exact situation 100% of the time for me.
 

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The chances of not converting it were minimal, so that needs to be factored into the equation. Of course, the "minimal" happened, but that doesn't make it the wrong decision. Just like if you punted from the 50 to be "safe" and it ended up being blocked and returned for a TD. The chances of that happening are slim, and just because it happens doesn't make it the wrong call (it generally is the wrong call, but that's not what makes it as such). If the payoff was slim here, so was the probability of something going wrong. But, sometimes, poop happens.
The other thing that needs to be factored in was the punting situation. We averaged a 31 yard net on Saturday, and that one was going into the wind. I would have gone for it there, and was glad when I saw us doing so…there is a big downside to punting there even though most dinosaur coaches would punt 100 times out of 100 (and you’ll continue seeing more and more coaches going in those types of situations).
 

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I’m saying I can see why he did it and I understand the risk. He’s not the only coach going for it in their own half with that down and distance. Different era of football right now. I don’t know what the percentages were for PSU this year with that play and distance. Just a guess but I’m thinking it was probably close to 90%? Just a guess and I could be off, but I bet that staff knew.

Seeing both sides isn’t blindly supporting anyone. It’s looking at one play and analyzing it. I would have punted but I’m a little old school. Sean Payton would drive Saints fans crazy sometimes. Sirianni drives Eagles fans crazy. Some decent coaches are aggressive and they also all get burnt too. Great talk, but I’m over it. He went, he missed. On to Boise.
I wonder if the lousy punts due to weather may have factored in? If you only net 20-25 yards, it should be a consideration. I probably would have leaned on the conservative side and punted. However, the minute they came up short on 3rd down.....from the security of my family room couch, I admit to the "guilty pleasure" of hoping they would go for it. What I don't like is shifting into the formation at the last instance. If he doesn't juggle the snap they get it and Franklin is a gun slinger like he was at Minny. 1 guy makes the decisions and all of us veteran coaches get to react. LOL
 
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The other thing that needs to be factored in was the punting situation. We averaged a 31 yard net on Saturday, and that one was going into the wind. I would have gone for it there, and was glad when I saw us doing so…there is a big downside to punting there even though most dinosaur coaches would punt 100 times out of 100 (and you’ll continue seeing more and more coaches going in those types of situations).
Good point on the punting situation with the wind factor versus the down and distance there. More and more coaches are going for it in those situations so while folks who don't do it for a living may not do it....others that do are and plenty are respected coaches. Plenty of respected coaches punt there too....this notion it's binary and there is only one right call is also antiquated IMO.
 
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I wonder if the lousy punts due to weather may have factored in? If you only net 20-25 yards, it should be a consideration. I probably would have leaned on the conservative side and punted. However, the minute they came up short on 3rd down.....from the security of my family room couch, I admit to the "guilty pleasure" of hoping they would go for it. What I don't like is shifting into the formation at the last instance. If he doesn't juggle the snap they get it and Franklin is a gun slinger like he was at Minny. 1 guy makes the decisions and all of us veteran coaches get to react. LOL
Surely the weather factored into it. Still a ridiculous decision. Even with a 20 yard punt you've at least knocked them out of scoring range. Defense had 2 pick 6es at that point. There was no reason to not trust them. By that point in the game it was certainly looking like 14 points might well be enough to win the game. Why even give them a chance to start in the red zone? Also, the way the offense was looking at that point, getting that first down was likely to end up getting you another 5 or 6 yards until you punted again. Not worth the risk.
But as you said, the coach makes the call on the field and we get analyze it.