Hey Franklin haters, is a playoff game a big game? Win or go home. Elimination. Season ends.

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Surely the weather factored into it. Still a ridiculous decision. Even with a 20 yard punt you've at least knocked them out of scoring range. Defense had 2 pick 6es at that point. There was no reason to not trust them. By that point in the game it was certainly looking like 14 points might well be enough to win the game. Why even give them a chance to start in the red zone? Also, the way the offense was looking at that point, getting that first down was likely to end up getting you another 5 or 6 yards until you punted again. Not worth the risk.
But as you said, the coach makes the call on the field and we get analyze it.
Last things I’ll say on this: (1) I was vehemently against going for it BEFORE the play, so my comments have nothing to do with the result, and (2) I felt pretty sure (given past screw ups like this in other big games) that he was just trying to draw them offsides to get a freebie, and would call timeout and punt if that failed. 🤷🏽‍♂️
 
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Seems to me that meets the definition of a big game. Win or elimination. Big Game James is undefeated in playoff games.
Absolutely a big game, but it's also a game they are favored heavily in to win, as the Boise game will be. JF has proven he can beat teams they are supposed to beat. The problem has been against teams or equal talent or slightly better.
 

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Insecure? That makes no sense.
The upside of getting that first down greatly paled in comparison to the risk of not getting it. You’re looking at it only from the perspective of the offense. Instead of trying to “jumpstart” the offense I would trust the defense and hope the offense can jumpstart themselves on the next possession.
Again, as I said it was the type of call he’s made in the past that he seemed to move away from this year. I was very complimentary of him doing so. I’m not an anti-Franklin guy by any means. I am absolutely an anti-going for it on 4th and half a yard on my own 19 when the offense hasn’t done anything yet and the team is up 14. I’m not saying fire the guy but I’m not going to blindly support him on a needless high-risk/low-reward calls.
It’s funny how hindsight coaching only works one way. What exactly ended up being the downside to going for it? 4th and 2 going for it would have been a horrible idea, but when you have a fourth and short play that works about 80% of the time, I’ll take those odds (I’ll bet you the Eagles would have gone for it too).
 

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I wonder if the lousy punts due to weather may have factored in? If you only net 20-25 yards, it should be a consideration. I probably would have leaned on the conservative side and punted. However, the minute they came up short on 3rd down.....from the security of my family room couch, I admit to the "guilty pleasure" of hoping they would go for it. What I don't like is shifting into the formation at the last instance. If he doesn't juggle the snap they get it and Franklin is a gun slinger like he was at Minny. 1 guy makes the decisions and all of us veteran coaches get to react. LOL
And let’s not forget, SMU looked far better all day between the 20’s…they stalled out near the goal line. So giving them the ball at the 40 or 50 likely would have resulted in them getting back inside the 20 shortly and we would have been back playing defense with our backs to the goal line anyway.
 
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I think we all realize PSU would not have done to Bama what they did to SMU, could we still have won, absolutely.
Or Bama could have come up and struggled with the cold as bad as SMU did…Bama’s QB has been known to have some stinker games as well.
 

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Surely the weather factored into it. Still a ridiculous decision. Even with a 20 yard punt you've at least knocked them out of scoring range. Defense had 2 pick 6es at that point. There was no reason to not trust them. By that point in the game it was certainly looking like 14 points might well be enough to win the game. Why even give them a chance to start in the red zone? Also, the way the offense was looking at that point, getting that first down was likely to end up getting you another 5 or 6 yards until you punted again. Not worth the risk.
But as you said, the coach makes the call on the field and we get analyze it.

You can wholly trust your defense and still go for it there. BECAUSE you trust your defense, you feel comfortable enough knowing that, even if the very unlikely happens - that you don't convert - that they'll, at worst, get a FG, because your defense is stout. Again, you have to figure in probabilities here - it's not just mindless "if it's in our territory, punt" or whatever the traditional (i.e. limited, and often wrong) thinking is.
 

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I think we all realize PSU would not have done to Bama what they did to SMU, could we still have won, absolutely.
I think we all realize we would have curbstomped Bama.

And no one cares. Earn it. Don't lose and lose and lose and then cry that you're better than this team or that team and you deserve something special. Shut your whining trap, SEC fans and their jock-sniffers.
 
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Just enjoy the ride, folks. As we sit here on December 23, 2024, PSU has 12.5 % chance of being the National Champions. That is better chance than they have had since Jan 2, 1995.
 

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Just enjoy the ride, folks. As we sit here on December 23, 2024, PSU has 12.5 % chance of being the National Champions. That is better chance than they have had since Jan 2, 1995.

C’mon - can’t someone start another ‘told ya so!’ Franklin thread? Its the lifeblood of this board.
 
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Just enjoy the ride, folks. As we sit here on December 23, 2024, PSU has 12.5 % chance of being the National Champions. That is better chance than they have had since Jan 2, 1995.

 

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C’mon - can’t someone start another ‘told ya so!’ Franklin thread? Its the lifeblood of this board.
ITT ... guy who can't stop himself from exposing his Franklin hate and jealousy all over the board complains that he's getting Franklin's success thrown back in his face for a little bit.

Rumor has it you got bored of watching TV and movies all day and you decided to launch a career as a pro wrassler, and you're billing yourself as The Ultimate Weenie ... is that true?
 

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These fellows apparently don't possess the same high standards as the omnipotent and omniscient BWICAC critics here.

Franmlin has 124 wins in total. So he is closer to 410 than eople give him credit for.
 

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Sounds like the Helsinki Syndrome, as in Helsinki, Sweden.
I think you mean Helskinki, Swaziland.

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C’mon - can’t someone start another ‘told ya so!’ Franklin thread? Its the lifeblood of this board.
Just think if you hadn't done the opposite all spring and summer,,,,but again self awareness isn't always easy.
 

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I'm sure the auditors of the BWICAC will check me on this.....and I welcome this because admittedly I spent about 30 seconds on it.
It actually surprises me:

ACTIVE Coaches with at least 10 years as a P5 (now P4) Head Football Coach
best winning percentage:
1. Dabo Swinney
2. Brian Kelly
3. James Franklin

ACTIVE coaches with at least 6 years as a P5 Head Football Coach

best winning percentage:
1. Day
2. Smart
3. Riley
4. Swinney
5. Kelly
6. Franklin

So this is interesting to me because we are dealing with the best of the best in demonstrated success.
Would you take Brian Kelly and or Lincoln Riley tomorrow to replace Franklin?
How about Kirby Smart? PSU could add a driver education degree program.

There are coaches that have a year or three and appear to be "queen for a day." But the names above are veterans of P5 schools and I can't help but wonder what the BWICAC would do if they could pick?
 

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I'm sure the auditors of the BWICAC will check me on this.....and I welcome this because admittedly I spent about 30 seconds on it.
It actually surprises me:

ACTIVE Coaches with at least 10 years as a P5 (now P4) Head Football Coach
best winning percentage:
1. Dabo Swinney
2. Brian Kelly
3. James Franklin

ACTIVE coaches with at least 6 years as a P5 Head Football Coach

best winning percentage:
1. Day
2. Smart
3. Riley
4. Swinney
5. Kelly
6. Franklin

So this is interesting to me because we are dealing with the best of the best in demonstrated success.
Would you take Brian Kelly and or Lincoln Riley tomorrow to replace Franklin?
How about Kirby Smart? PSU could add a driver education degree program.

There are coaches that have a year or three and appear to be "queen for a day." But the names above are veterans of P5 schools and I can't help but wonder what the BWICAC would do if they could pick?
Awesome and how many have won a Natty? I know for sure one that hasn't even sniffed one. Not saying he is a bad coach but not in the same class as the others until and if he wins something.
 

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now you gotta tell what big time job you had lol
I'm not taking your foot out of your big mouth. I'm also not the one demeaning and criticizing the coach of the team I claim to be a fan of.
It's certainly your right to run your mouth. Buy a ticket and you have a seat in the peanut gallery. Watch out, it's crowded.
 
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Awesome and how many have won a Natty? I know for sure one that hasn't even sniffed one. Not saying he is a bad coach but not in the same class as the others until and if he wins something.
Of the six? Day, Kelly and Franklin? Penn State fans need to understand that PSU is a top 8-12 program. That's it. I don't understand why people think PSU is on par with Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama or Texas and now Oregon. If you are holding your breath for Natties.... LOL
 
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Of the six? Day, Kelly and Franklin? Penn State fans need to understand that PSU is a top 8-12 program. That's it. I don't understand why people think PSU is on par with Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama or Texas and now Oregon. If you are holding your breath for Natties.... LOL
Well excuse me for not lowering the bar - let's just be happy with our participation trophies - a losers mentality.
 

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I appreciate the sentiment. These are difficult days for some of us.

I for one am thinking of you and your family - and especially your wife who I would have loved to meet. She is no doubt going to give you an earful about how tough you were on us Franklin skeptics. Until then - you keep being you.
 

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I'm sure the auditors of the BWICAC will check me on this.....and I welcome this because admittedly I spent about 30 seconds on it.
It actually surprises me:

ACTIVE Coaches with at least 10 years as a P5 (now P4) Head Football Coach
best winning percentage:
1. Dabo Swinney
2. Brian Kelly
3. James Franklin

ACTIVE coaches with at least 6 years as a P5 Head Football Coach

best winning percentage:
1. Day
2. Smart
3. Riley
4. Swinney
5. Kelly
6. Franklin

So this is interesting to me because we are dealing with the best of the best in demonstrated success.
Would you take Brian Kelly and or Lincoln Riley tomorrow to replace Franklin?
How about Kirby Smart? PSU could add a driver education degree program.

There are coaches that have a year or three and appear to be "queen for a day." But the names above are veterans of P5 schools and I can't help but wonder what the BWICAC would do if they could pick?

Let’s get dabo. He preaches morality, plus no portal stress.
 
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I for one am thinking of you and your family - and especially your wife who I would have loved to meet. She is no doubt going to give you an earful about how tough you were on us Franklin skeptics. Until then - you keep being you.
Christmas was her time of year. She shopped every night after work for a month to shower our sons with gifts. Then stayed up all night to wrap each one. A mother's unconditional love is an incredible gift.
Me....I got the credit card statements on 1/1.....LOL
I met her in 7th grade and the very first time I saw her my heart jumped out of my chest. It never changed. This will be 16 without her. The world is so different and meaningless.
But, our boys now men are successful and happy and I see her legacy in them.
I can only say that if you have your spouse, hold her close and realize the things that are really important. I regret most all the wasted days we bickered about silly things. Man plans and God laughs. I thought there would always be tomorrow.