I appreciate the education. This sounds like mindful hunting, not just wanton killing for the fun of it.
Hope we dump Under Armour when contract up. Learned they sponsor so-called Trophy hunting. I can`t think of anything more despicable.
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Like cleaning up?What about your responsibilities?
Among others......rights and responsibilities are intertwined.
Lol, when you resort to childish name calling that means you lost the argument. I was being facetious to prove to you a point. Your opinion is your opinion but when you start to infringe on others rights then people start to have a problem….. example. Telling someone they don’t need a gun is like me telling you that you don’t need your corvette, or your 350 dollar Taylor made driver. To each his own, stay in your lane kid!
I'm seriously curious if you eat meat. If you don't, I can understand, though not agree with, your stated opinion. If you eat meat, you're a killer of cattle, chickens, turkeys, pigs, etc. and can't claim the high ground about people hunting.
You say there's no skill involved. But I could still miss them.
Bird hunting involves a lot of craft besides shooting skill. How to set up decoys, how to be upwind, how to call the birds etc. These kinds of shoots use money to reduce it to target practice.
I still object to fish not being considered meat.
Not really related to the thread, but wanted to add it.
Not really related to the thread, but wanted to add it.
So there is evidence that he poached, as in he participated in illegal hunting?
I can't imagine anything I care less about than who supplies our uniforms.
People don't look at facts anymore, they prefer the sensationalized "news" they get from the media. I just did a quick search of Under Armour and trophy hunting and the first article that came up listed several "Trophy Hunters" including Lee and Tiffany Labosky, that UA sponsored. The article had a picture of Lee with a large Kodiak Bear that they stated was killed "for promotional gain". Turns out Lee killed it in Alaska, hunting LEGALLY on Kodiak Island, and he killed it with a bow and arrow! All the meat was eaten or donated. All I'm saying is that people need to quit listening to the media BS and people that choose to sensationalize issues for political purposes. Just because somebody goes to Africa, or even Texas, to hunt large game doesn't mean they are a malicious killer, or even a "Trophy Hunter", whatever that means. Sure, there are bad hunters just like there are bad people in every walk of life, but I assure you that UA doesn't support the poaching (defined as illegal killing) of any animals nor the wasteful killing of animals in any manner. And like Creek Snake said, the meat and other parts of these animals are not wasted, the people in these countries need the money to survive, and like here in America, the biggest threat to game is loss of habitat, not hunters. Again, I'm not here to defend any type of illegal hunting, and I have no desire to go to Africa or anywhere to kill an elephant or any animal, but just need to look at all the facts before condemning.
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He killed a Kodiak bear with a bow and arrow????
I'll respect him just for that.
I'll respect him just for that.
I think what well intentioned people who are not educated on wildlife fail to understand is large predators and animals such as elephants,rhinos..etc require such a large amount of land to survive.
A perfect scenario to look at is a large Indiginous Peoples area in Alaska that has both Moose and Brown Bears.If the brown bears are not managed and kept to a number that the land can sustain then two things happen.The moose population declines significantly because juvenile moose are the main food of the bears along with Salmon.So overpoulation of bears results in no moose and with no moose to feed on then bears are faced with starvation issues and disease.As abhorant as Bear Hunting might be to some people its the only way to effectively manage the Bear population which also carries over to Caibou,deer and other animals.
Hunting is the most effective management tool wildlife people can employ.
A perfect scenario to look at is a large Indiginous Peoples area in Alaska that has both Moose and Brown Bears.If the brown bears are not managed and kept to a number that the land can sustain then two things happen.The moose population declines significantly because juvenile moose are the main food of the bears along with Salmon.So overpoulation of bears results in no moose and with no moose to feed on then bears are faced with starvation issues and disease.As abhorant as Bear Hunting might be to some people its the only way to effectively manage the Bear population which also carries over to Caibou,deer and other animals.
Hunting is the most effective management tool wildlife people can employ.
People like to think they can be in nature and not have a effective footprint on it.
Well Nike is basically communist, and uses child labor overseas soooooo.
I agree, that's pretty stupid. Not hunting at all. I was taught if you kill it, you clean it and eat it. If everyone wanting to go shoot a deer or a bird had to get their hands dirty and clean the animal themselves, I would bet there'd be a few less "hunters" out there.
Under Armour in my opinion is far superior to Nike. I really like their shirts and shoes. I also like that USC isn't like everyone else with the swoosh.
That's the reason I give to Ducks Unlimited,Lowcountry Land Trust,and Edisto Land Trust.Trying to stop human encroachment as much as possible.That's the reason Teddy Roosevelt is my favorite Pres.He started the National Park System.
Yet Teddy would go hunting quite a bit. How much of if was for sport and how much of it was for nature preservation?
Teddy was a hunter.I think you'll find a large percentage of conservation minded people enjoy hunting and fishing.I myself enjoy hunting and fishing.I'll cut a tree down in a heartbeat too.But I plant 2 or 3 or 50 back in its place.
I haven't bought NIKE shoes in many years, but I will say that my UA shoes have far outlasted any of the NIKEs I previously owned.
Not sure why that matters? You can do both, as evidenced by hunters funding a huge part of the restoration of wildlife into many areas across the country and around the world; and through Ducks unlimited, etc. Most hunters I know love animals and wildlife, and fully support conservation of our land.
I "hear" what you are saying, but I am asking specifically about TR and his perspective.
Why do you care about SPECIFICALLY HIS PERSPECTIVE?? You cannot think for yourself?
Ahh the old rationalization that it`s ok to cruelly kill animals because it supports "conservation" or "wildlife management." Just excuses to feel good about killing an innocent animal. And bowhunting is particularly cruel - don`t understand the goal of torturing an animal to make you feel good. I`m sure they all die quickly and painlessly - right. These "trophy hunters" could just go out to Riverbanks Zoo and have at it, It`s about that much of a "sport." And U/A does sponsor them - just google and read. If you`re not satisfied with the term "sponsor," they sure as hell promote and condone it.
I don’t really think anyone in this thread wants trophy hunting. Your claiming of the moral high ground is heavy handed, judgemental, and has no room for discussion or nuance
You cannot live in our world without participating in corporate evil. As a vegetarian, good for you, you do not participate in hunting, or the extremes of hog farms, chicken factories or cattle farming
Do you buy any foods from a grocery store? If you do then you are just as culpable in the sins of big Agri as I am; gmo’s, pesticides, single crop farming, destruction of family farms and habitat, the loss of bees, the pollution of our water.
If you care to get off your mountain of righteousness I think you would find conversation partners about hunting. We both would learn something.
If not, well you got plenty of stones and I live in a glass house, as we all do.
Funny this conversation came up. I saw a portion of a video on YouTube earlier that angered me. I deer hunt, although these days, I let many more walk than I shoot. Dont really have much interest in taking any once the freezer is full, unless it is a monster buck. I hog hunt. I have no problem with bird hunting. I have ZERO interest in killing a bear but I understand the conservation argument and controlling the numbers. I am just not interested in killing a bear. I understand having to control coyote populations but they look to me too much like my dog and I wont be shooting any. I have no respect for, and honestly despise these people killing things they have no intention of eating, just to say they did. I am angered by anyone who thinks shooting a lion with a high powered rifle is any kind of sport, along with elephants, etc. and I get ticked when I see these guys shooting mountain lions and bobcats. This video I saw today, the guy killed numerous foxes with his bow, just because.....made me angry.
Sir, and I say this with the utmost respect that I can have for someone that I don't know from Adam's house cat....When you resort to such hyperbole as you have here, your argument loses its gravitas and effect. Animals in the wild don't die peacefully in their beds surrounded by their "families. The term "Innocent" does not apply here. Innocence implies evil on the other side of the coin, and that does not exist in the animal kingdom. If it does not help them Eat to fend off starvation or provide for their young, F**K in order to firhter the species and pass their genes on, or Fight to win a mate or assume dominant status for breeding rights, they do not engage. Nature is a cruel place to weak and injured things. Do you think a pack of coyotes or wolves waits until an animal drops dead of old age to eat it? No, they attack it, drag it to the ground, and begin eating it while the animal is still very much alive, until it dies of shock and blood loss. The cute little fawns that you see in pictures? Almost a 30% mortality rate. The absolute BEST death a wild animal can hope for is a mercifully quick death at the hands of a hunter. I understand the thought process, I really do. It simply is NOT reality.
The amount of people agreeing with you is staggering! Lol
Lots of corporations, especially in oil. They pretend to be struggling while making record profits.
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