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The people who ask "Name a coach with a better or winning record against ranked teams that we can hire?" are asking the wrong question. If you want to limit yourself to those candidates you would look at Brian Kelly, Chip Kelly and Jimbo Fisher. All good men, far better than Franklin, but not men that I would choose for the long term.

The question should be, "Give me names of talented people who would be good prospects to excel and improve our terrible record against ranked teams and increase our chances at the CFP?"

When you follow that course you may find a Bud Wilkinson (assistant experience only before being hired), Joe Paterno (assistant coach only before being hired), Ara Parseghian (losing conference record as a B1G coach before being hired), or Scott Peterson (established himself at a school outside of the P5). If you fire a man not with those greats maybe you luck out with a winner who can take Penn State resources and at least not fail more than 80 percent of the time in games that matter.

To find such people you look at the college head coaching ranks, top college assistants, and NFL talent that may be interested in a college gig. I provided a few names of college head coaches I would start with.

So please begin to apply some logic to your arguments and don't ask the same dumb questions that the Franklin fan boys will use to deflect his critics.
Brian Kelly? His record vs ranked teams was abysmal at ND. He routinely underachieved. No thank you.
 
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You trot out your genius as a coach to belittle the opinions of other people who know a "game". The rest of us can see for ourselves that the guy you defend like he is your brother in law is a bottom feeding coach who has proven, thru his record, to have a terrible record against his counterparts at winning major programs with comparable history and resources.

Sorry sport, but football is a game. It is not differential calculus. Those of us who have played it and watched it for decades know a thing or two. When a man has a record, one whose negatives you ignore, we can understand his shortcomings. His is performance in games that matter, not games against the like of Delaware or Northwestern, is so bad you have to be a fool to ignore it. Figures, you ignore it.
Haha....a bottom feeding coach....all this really upsets you haha. Well listen, send your resume to Pat Kraft and perhaps he will take your evaluation seriously. I mean playing and then watching for decades seems like a reasonable resume to evaluate the program. I like PSU football and I also happen to like James. If it upset me that much, I'd seriously think about doing something else. But hey, pass the hat...8.5 m x 8 years....LOL.
Just for the record, guess who has the record for all time wins...?
guess who holds the record for all time winning percentage?
guess who ranks 8th and 9th respectively?
 

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Understanding a game, judging an established record, appreciating continued mistakes, and acknowledging when a man is getting outcoached requires no training or gifted insight.

Understanding a game, judging an established record, appreciating continued mistakes, and acknowledging when a man is getting outcoached requires no training or gifted insight.
I have to agree if you are correct.....
 

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“Lose one game” is not in the same ballpark as “lose all your big games for a decade.”
The reference was made to Ryan Day. But, use it anyway you'd like. Some don't see the irony that Day is subjected to the same "scrutiny" by the experts when he loses one game. Is it the coach or the couch experts?
 

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1. I do not pretend to be a coach. I do consider myself a good judge of coaching performance. Football is a game and not a science.

2. I do not drink.

3. Yes, I have a STEM related degree from Penn State. I also have forty years of management in private industry. Does that make me a genius? No. Is that evidence I have enough intelligence to learn rules of a game and appreciate those who master a game? Yes. Just like I have enough knowledge and intelligence to judge when someone is not elite at the game. Am I unique with this knowledge, a former member of a select cadre of people gifted with a special insight? No. You repeatedly claim you are.
You do not pretend to be a coach....just that you know more than a coach.
No one is disputing your academic excellence....quite impressive.
 

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+1. And I don't think I'd be throwing Jimobo's name around either. He's done less with a lot more than Franklin has had in the last several years.

+1. And I don't think I'd be throwing Jimobo's name around either. He's done less with a lot more than Franklin has had in the last several years.
When your in a corner, you just start throwing out names. It's like everybody else does it! How do we know how good he could have been, they never gave him a chance. LOL....Let me try .....ah....Mack Brown.....
 
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The people who ask "Name a coach with a better or winning record against ranked teams that we can hire?" are asking the wrong question. If you want to limit yourself to those candidates you would look at Brian Kelly, Chip Kelly and Jimbo Fisher. All good men, far better than Franklin, but not men that I would choose for the long term.

The question should be, "Give me names of talented people who would be good prospects to excel and improve our terrible record against ranked teams and increase our chances at the CFP?"

When you follow that course you may find a Bud Wilkinson (assistant experience only before being hired), Joe Paterno (assistant coach only before being hired), Ara Parseghian (losing conference record as a B1G coach before being hired), or Scott Peterson (established himself at a school outside of the P5). If you fire a man not with those greats maybe you luck out with a winner who can take Penn State resources and at least not fail more than 80 percent of the time in games that matter.

To find such people you look at the college head coaching ranks, top college assistants, and NFL talent that may be interested in a college gig. I provided a few names of college head coaches I would start with.

So please begin to apply some logic to your arguments and don't ask the same dumb questions that the Franklin fan boys will use to deflect his critics.
or you may find a successful high school coach....Gerry Faust...oops...NFL coordinator Charlie Weis......young successful MAC coach Tim Beckman
 

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1. I do not pretend to be a coach. I do consider myself a good judge of coaching performance. Football is a game and not a science.

2. I do not drink.

3. Yes, I have a STEM related degree from Penn State. I also have forty years of management in private industry. Does that make me a genius? No. Is that evidence I have enough intelligence to learn rules of a game and appreciate those who master a game? Yes. Just like I have enough knowledge and intelligence to judge when someone is not elite at the game. Am I unique with this knowledge, a former member of a select cadre of people gifted with a special insight? No. You repeatedly claim you are.
I have yet to claim I'm gifted in any knowledge or special insight. In fact, if you had any reading comprehension skills, you would see that I've only claimed that my time as a lowly high school coach has only "gifted" me with an abiding respect for the skills, talent and knowledge it takes to be a division one football coach. Something you could profit from. In addition, it has also given me insight into loud mouth, know it all football fans. In conclusion, I don't take this seriously. I find the outrage amusing. I want the best for PSU, but I would never let it get under my skin except for moments that I watch the game. When it's over, I come here because they don't print newspapers anymore with comic sections.
 

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How about we give that young Paterno fella a try? Seems he might be interested in being involved in the gridiron.
 
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I have yet to claim I'm gifted in any knowledge or special insight. In fact, if you had any reading comprehension skills, you would see that I've only claimed that my time as a lowly high school coach has only "gifted" me with an abiding respect for the skills, talent and knowledge it takes to be a division one football coach.
Really? 'Bull****.
 

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or you may find a successful high school coach....Gerry Faust...oops...NFL coordinator Charlie Weis......young successful MAC coach Tim Beckman
Ignored the post
or you may find a successful high school coach....Gerry Faust...oops...NFL coordinator Charlie Weis......young successful MAC coach Tim Beckman
Stupid response.
or you may find a successful high school coach....Gerry Faust...oops...NFL coordinator Charlie Weis......young successful MAC coach Tim Beckman
Maybe you?
or you may find a successful high school coach....Gerry Faust...oops...NFL coordinator Charlie Weis......young successful MAC coach Tim Beckman
Change the discussion to defend the indefensible.
 

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+1. And I don't think I'd be throwing Jimobo's name around either. He's done less with a lot more than Franklin has had in the last several years.
You Franklin defenders keep asking the same dumb question.

So I go to 247 sports and find that Jimbo Fisher, Chip Kelly and Brian Kelly have won better than 50% of their games coached against ranked teams.

What do I get from the brain trust? "I don't think I would be throwing Jimbo's name around either." The guy you defend isn't anywhere near the coach Fisher is.
 

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You Franklin defenders keep asking the same dumb question.

So I go to 247 sports and find that Jimbo Fisher, Chip Kelly and Brian Kelly have won better than 50% of their games coached against ranked teams.

What do I get from the brain trust? "I don't think I would be throwing Jimbo's name around either." The guy you defend isn't anywhere near the coach Fisher is.
Simple fix Einstein, stay on the 247 board.
 

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You're the expert.
No, I know bull**** when I read it. You trot out that coaching experience nonsense in thread, after thread, after thread. You cant run away from the truth. High school coach? There is a credential to hang your hat on. Let us all bow to your majesty.
 

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How about we give that young Paterno fella a try? Seems he might be interested in being involved in the gridiron.
I know that there is a man out there who is an assistant who will develop into an outstanding winning head coach and national champion. How do I know it? Because history shows us that happens over, and over, and over again.

You hire an AD and that AD hires advisors who are responsible for finding such people. Oklahoma, Penn State, Ohio State, and Nebraska have all done it in my lifetime, to name a few.
 

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+1. And I don't think I'd be throwing Jimobo's name around either. He's done less with a lot more than Franklin has had in the last several years.
He's in a talent rich state with very deep pockets. He was chased out of FSU even after winning a title and has consistently underachieved. The grass is greener guys are basically down to 4-5 coaches....none of which are even remote possibilities, but they keep playing this game.

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Here is a trivia question for you -

Name a coach who has lost to Matt Rhule, Pat Fitzgerald, Scott Frost, P.J. Fleck, Mel Tucker and Kirk Ferentz? Five of those coaches have beaten him in the last five years.

Why do I bring up the name of these coaches? Because they are so often derided here by some of the same people who defend Franklin.
 

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He's in a talent rich state with very deep pockets. He was chased out of FSU even after winning a title and has consistently underachieved. The grass is greener guys are basically down to 4-5 coaches....none of which are even remote possibilities, but they keep playing this game.

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Down to five coaches? Nonsense. You wanted names of guys with winning records against ranked teams. I gave you three names after a quick look. It is you who think that asking for the names of winning coaches is a good question. I do not.
 

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The reference was made to Ryan Day. But, use it anyway you'd like. Some don't see the irony that Day is subjected to the same "scrutiny" by the experts when he loses one game. Is it the coach or the couch experts?

Yeah, misread your post, apologies. Criticizing Day is pretty absurd, but it’s always been true of the coaches on either side of OSU/UM that if you lose that game too often, the fans will gather the pitchforks.
 

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You Franklin defenders keep asking the same dumb question.

So I go to 247 sports and find that Jimbo Fisher, Chip Kelly and Brian Kelly have won better than 50% of their games coached against ranked teams.

What do I get from the brain trust? "I don't think I would be throwing Jimbo's name around either." The guy you defend isn't anywhere near the coach Fisher is.
BS on Brian Kelly record vs ranked teams. He’s already lost to 2 ranked teams this year which isn’t included in the article. Do your homework before making comments.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/lsu-football/brian-kellys-top-10-teams-lsu-tennessee/#:~:text=He%20certainly%20is%3B%20however%2C%20he's,2010%2C%20according%20to%20Darren%20Rovell.

Not to mention the academic cheating scandal at ND when he was there. The rape and harassment of the victim until she committed suicide. The death of the student volunteer that was taping practice in a scissor lift in high winds. Etc. Etc. Brian Kelly is a sleazeball with a capital S. If we are going to sell our souls to the devil to win, we might as well go after Urban. He’s a slimeball that actually wins.
 
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Is George Curry still alive?

KC Keeler did a good job at Rowan/Glassboro, and Delaware. I think he is Texas somewhere. We need a Texas recruiting pipeline.
 

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How about we give that young Paterno fella a try? Seems he might be interested in being involved in the gridiron.
I really, really hope you are joking.

“That dude is everything a coach shouldn’t be.” Mike Mauti.
 

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Is George Curry still alive?

KC Keeler did a good job at Rowan/Glassboro, and Delaware. I think he is Texas somewhere. We need a Texas recruiting pipeline.
KC Keeler, now there is a guy who contends for and wins championships.
 
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Rich Kotite has some availability.

Jon Gruden does too.

....and from I read offensive mastermind Brian Ferentz will be accepting interviews for next season...
 

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Brian Hartline for WR coach. Munch for OL coach. Keep the rest the same.
 

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How about Luke Fickell? He’s another “genius”.

All the sh*t talking on Rhule, Fickell, Riley, etc. - wait 4 years. Then let's see where they are. Smart was 8-4 in year one. Saban was 7-6. Swinney 9-5. Meyer was 9-3 at Florida (but undefeated first year at OSU - go figure; no team benefitted more from our sanctions than OSU). Point is, pump the breaks.
 
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Another guy I really liked when he had his program humming - David Shaw, Stanford. HC from 2011-2022. Had a seven 9 win seasons, three Pac 12 Championships, and a win percentage against ranked opponents of 57%, including beating six in 2013. Wheels fell off at Stanford but he's a really good coach.
 
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Another guy I really liked when he had his program humming - David Shaw, Stanford. HC from 2011-2022. Had a seven 9 win seasons, three Pac 12 Championships, and a win percentage against ranked opponents of 57%, including beating six in 2013. Wheels fell off at Stanford but he's a really good coach.
Agree. I’m surprised he isn’t coaching somewhere else yet, specifically the NFL.
 
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All the sh*t talking on Rhule, Fickell, Riley, etc. - wait 4 years. Then let's see where they are. Smart was 8-4 in year one. Saban was 7-6. Swinney 9-5. Meyer was 9-3 at Florida (but undefeated first year at OSU - go figure; no team benefitted more from our sanctions than OSU). Point is, pump the breaks.
Also agree here. Riley, however, better figure out that he needs a competent defense to win or his ceiling is capped.
 
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No, and I couldn't see him winning another. That's a fair point, but it's sure tough to bank on landing the best QB-WR-WR combo in college history to pull it off.

I could name other coaches I think may have the potential, I didn't know you wanted a list. The point is there will be plenty of guys who have the potential and we don't know yet. But you show me anyone with Franklin's record v. top 10, ranked, etc, through a full decade at a blue blood school who then went on to win a title. Maybe Dabo is the closest? He won a title by his 9th year, but his first few years weren't the disaster Franklin had to deal with, so that may be a fair comp if you want to say Franklin has a chance. I didn't follow Dabo's games in those earlier years well enough to know if every big game felt the same way with him that they do with Franklin.
I fully confess to being that guy that would rather hold on a day too long, rather than give up a day too early. I'm old enough that "shiny" things scare me. By the way, I agree that Ryan Day is a championship caliber coach. We don't have to look too far in the past to see PJ Fleck, Matt Campbell, Jim McElwain as the "flavor of the month." Since I think more highly of Coach Franklin than others on this board, I'd ride it out. If he chose to leave on his own, I found Midnighter's list interesting. I'm a nobody, but the one who would be of the most interest to me is D'Anton Lynn and I have no idea how he'd be as a head coach. But, in all honesty, there is only one candidate that fits the "championship or bust" model and that's Urban Meyer.
 
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