OK- So tell me who you're going to hire

[HarrisburgDave]

Its so hard to hire good football coaches. Why try? So what if the guy we have never sniffs the CNP?

I guess you could ask Georgia and LSU. They hired new coaches and won championships since 2015. Or you could ask tOSU and TCU, who hired new coaches and played in the championship game. Or Michigan, Cincinnati, Washington, and Oklahoma who appeared in the CFP after changing coaches. Yeh, its sooooo hard to do well with new coaches.

 

[Nitt1300]

Not sure it's turnover. Saban's Alabama has been where troubled coaches go to rehab their careers. And for the most part he seems to keep hands off and let them do their things.

I sense Franklin, who is an offense-first guy, meddles more than Saban, especially on the offensive side of the ball. If you were shown clips of PSU's offense vs OSU and clips of MY's offense at any of his prior stops, would you even think the same guy was running the offense?

This feels a little like Rahne's offense with Hack. There's only one common thread.

an inability to hit the ocean?

 

[HarrisburgDave]

Fire Franklin! His mistakes are unforgivable and unforgettable. The great thing about coaching is you get to make decisions...fans get to be right. Why is that?

Ten years. The guy has had ten years to get his program to a place it can win against ranked opponents on a regular basis. Look at his results. Its not like his critics are making things up. He has a record. He repeats time and again bad clock management and play calling in tight situations. Do we need to elaborate all the 4th quarter failures? Again, he has a record.

And you must have been a genius of a coach. I mean all the rest of us ever did was play football four or more years, were intimately involved when our kids played, and watched games in person and on tv for 60 years. Me with my poor engineering degree from Penn State and forty years of experience in industry management could never have the intelligence to understand the intricacies and subtleties of the game. I should bow to your vast knowledge and experience. Bull****

 

[marshall23]

Is this an attempt at serious argument? Probably, from a guy who had to coach football instead of having a real job of significance in industry.

The Franklin critics don't have one game to point to. They have ten years of terrible Franklin performances against top 10 teams and and ranked teams. Not mediocre, not bad, but awful results or worse. Franklin is a bottom feeder, padding his record against the B1G also rans, and failing regularly against them when they get any good. (See Minnesota, Michigan State, Iowa, Indiana) Oh, and toss in there a loss or two against teams like a Scott Frost coached Nebraska or a Maryland.

Do we deserve better? For $8.5 million we should be able to expect victories at least 30 or 40 percent of the time against ranked opponents. Is that too much to ask? I think that sets the mark pretty low.

If I needed a concrete contractor and a company had poor results 80 percent of the time they would not get a look at a contract. You Franklin supporters are ok with less than mediocre results. Your driveways must have cracks from your garage to the street.

No excuse for being 18 and 3 over two seasons. Hire a building contractor.

 

[marshall23]

Ten years. The guy has had ten years to get his program to a place it can win against ranked opponents on a regular basis. Look at his results. Its not like his critics are making things up. He has a record. He repeats time and again bad clock management and play calling in tight situations. Do we need to elaborate all the 4th quarter failures? Again, he has a record.

And you must have been a genius of a coach. I mean all the rest of us ever did was play football four or more years, were intimately involved when our kids played, and watched games in person and on tv for 60 years. Me with my poor engineering degree from Penn State and forty years of experience in industry management could never have the intelligence to understand the intricacies and subtleties of the game. I should bow to your vast knowledge and experience. Bull****

I am sure anyone with an engineering degree is over qualified to be a division one football coach. Physicians often are hired to supervise bridge construction.

 

[marshall23]

Ten years. The guy has had ten years to get his program to a place it can win against ranked opponents on a regular basis. Look at his results. Its not like his critics are making things up. He has a record. He repeats time and again bad clock management and play calling in tight situations. Do we need to elaborate all the 4th quarter failures? Again, he has a record.

And you must have been a genius of a coach. I mean all the rest of us ever did was play football four or more years, were intimately involved when our kids played, and watched games in person and on tv for 60 years. Me with my poor engineering degree from Penn State and forty years of experience in industry management could never have the intelligence to understand the intricacies and subtleties of the game. I should bow to your vast knowledge and experience. Bull****

I am 100 percent in favor of hiring the coach that wins against top 10 opponents on a regular basis. I could not agree more. Who is he and let's sign him asap?

 

[HarrisburgDave]

I am sure anyone with an engineering degree is over qualified to be a division one football coach. Physicians often are hired to supervise bridge construction.

Really? You think football coaching is as difficult as civil engineering?

 

[SleepyLion]

Hey I’m 4th generation Penn State, my avatar pic is my grandmother’s 1939 graduation day. I’ll never stop rooting either. But while our historical win % may be the same, our opportunities to win a title are not. You could believe Joe’s teams could beat anybody on any given Saturday because of coaching. You can’t believe Franklin can beat anyone when it matters most. The sample size is large enough to know that now. So of course I’ll cheer today and hope they win as much as any other day, but that doesn’t mean I also can’t accept the reality that this program has a definite ceiling with Franklin. And yes I’ll meaninglessly ***** about that, because I’m a fan. None of us are actually impacting anything, so whether we’re cheering or bitching, it’s all meaningless. I still enjoy it.

After yesterday, shouldn't he be fired?

No... she should be forbidden from wearing a hat! Covering up that hair is a fireable offense.

 

[HarrisburgDave]

I am 100 percent in favor of hiring the coach that wins against top 10 opponents on a regular basis. I could not agree more. Who is he and let's sign him asap?

We know the guy we have is incapable of beating ranked opponents on a regular basis. He has a record you guys who support him cant walk away from. It is an awful record.

I am not asking for 60 or 40 percent achievement. Give me 30 percent. Franklin has proven he can't manage 20. I supplied a list of college coaches earlier in the thread. I did not consider assistant coaches at the college level or NFL people. I suspect our well paid AD and his consultants can come up with a list. Give a talented coach a program with Penn State resources and you will get results better than Franklin gives you. It would be nearly impossible to do worse.

I am not shy. Have Penn State give me a checkbook and I will go get a good legal counsel and travel to Oregon, Washington, Kentucky, Mississippi, and Texas and bring back a contract signed by one of my favorites.

Of course Franklin will only go if the situation at Penn State becomes intolerable for him or a team like Texas A&M or Florida, someone with more money than sense. comes to get him. I would say let him go if they do.

 

[marshall23]

Really? You think football coaching is like civil engineering?

Apparently the degree doesn't guarantee reading comprehension skills.

Really? You think football coaching is as difficult as civil engineering?

How difficult can it be if you do it?

 

[marshall23]

We know the guy we have is incapable of beating ranked opponents on a regular basis. He has a record you guys who support him cant walk away from. It is an awful record.

I am not asking for 60 or 40 percent achievement. Give me 30 percent. Franklin has proven he can't manage 20. I supplied a list of college coaches earlier in the thread. I did not consider assistant coaches at the college level or NFL people. I suspect our well paid AD and his consultants can come up with a list. Give a talented coach a program with Penn State resources and you will get results better than Franklin gives you. It would be nearly impossible to do worse.

I am not shy. Have Penn State give me a checkbook and I will go get a good legal counsel and travel to Oregon, Washington, Kentucky, Mississippi, and Texas and bring back a contract signed by one of my favorites.

Of course Franklin will only go if the situation at Penn State becomes intolerable for him or a team like Texas A&M or Florida, someone with more money than sense. comes to get him. I would say let him go if they do.

But name the guy who regularly beats top 10 teams? I want him too.

 

[HarrisburgDave]

But name the guy who regularly beats top 10 teams? I want him too.

The honest question should be what coaches, given Penn State resources, could do better than Franklin. A man coaching at Purdue could be a great coach, but lack the resources needed to achieve results he could obtain at Penn State.

You want to stay with a guy who has a ten year record of failure against ranked teams? Losing 80 percent or more? You think it is so hard to find someone who can do better? How is it Georgia, TCU, Michigan, Oklahoma, Washington, Oregon, Ohio State and LSU can do it?

 

[HarrisburgDave]

Apparently the degree doesn't guarantee reading comprehension skills.

How difficult can it be if you do it?

I bow to your genius. Doing better than an 80 percent failure rate against ranked teams is so hard. Analyzing win and loss records is so difficult. Padding results against bottom feeders is grand.

 

[marshall23]

I bow to your genius. Doing better than an 80 percent failure rate against ranked teams is so hard. Analyzing win and loss records is so difficult. Padding results against bottom feeders is grand.

So again, just tell us the coach who beats top 10 teams on a regular basis. I need help. Saban, Smart....?

 

[marshall23]

You want to stay with a guy who has a ten year record of failure against ranked teams? Losing 80 percent or more? You think it is so hard to find someone who can do better? How is it Georgia, TCU, Michigan, Oklahoma, Washington, Oregon, Ohio State and LSU can do it?

8 more years!

 

[StamfordBridgeVikingatLeftOffensiveTackle]

8 more years!

Gotta hand it to James and his agent. They made sure that James took good care of his family. Well done.

 

[HarrisburgDave]

8 more years!

That will make 18 years of futility against ranked teams. He will be made miserable long before those 18 years are up. He should be made miserable. He is a bottom feeder and a fraud.

 

[GrimReaper]

You want to stay with a guy who has a ten year record of failure against ranked teams? Losing 80 percent or more? You think it is so hard to find someone who can do better? How is it Georgia, TCU, Michigan, Oklahoma, Washington, Oregon, Ohio State and LSU can do it?

Think you ought examine some of the coaching records of the incumbents at the schools you cited.

 

[marshall23]

That will make 18 years of futility against ranked teams. He will be made miserable long before those 18 years are up. He should be made miserable. He is a bottom feeder and a fraud.

Thanks for your input. I see he's made you miserable. I'll bet it doesn't take much.

 

[HarrisburgDave]

So again, just tell us the coach who beats top 10 teams on a regular basis. I need help. Saban, Smart....?

You are trying to deflect the discussion away from the question that anyone with a modicum of intelligence would ask. That is, "Who could achieve better results than Franklin given the resources available to a Penn State coach?" No program with common sense would restrict their consideration to men with a record of past achievement at that level. They would consider potential, achievement at prior posts, and how the man would fit into their culture. I have answered who I would consider above, again without considering assistant coaches or NFL people.

 

[HarrisburgDave]

Think you ought examine some of the coaching records of the incumbents at the schools you cited.

I think getting to the CFP and winning 30 percent of his games against ranked teams is OK.

 

[GrimReaper]

I think getting to the CFP and winning 30 percent of his games against ranked teams is OK.

You cited eight schools. The coaches at all of them have done that? Don't think so.

 

[HarrisburgDave]

Thanks for your input. I see he's made you miserable. I'll bet it doesn't take much.

You cant deal with facts. Your guy is incapable of achievement at an elite level. His record proves it. Other coaches can do just as well as him or better. Changing coaches a winning is far from impossible, other teams have done it. Coaching experience does not make you a superior analyst to any of us, who have lifetimes participating and watching the sport. Football is not rocket science, or civil engineering.

 

[HarrisburgDave]

You cited eight schools. The coaches at all of them have done that? Don't think so.

My quote is that those schools all hired coaches, since Penn State hired Franklin, who either won the championship, played in the CFP championship game, or had their teams appear in the CFP.

 

[GrimReaper]

My quote is that those schools all hired coaches, since Penn State hired Franklin, who either won the championship, played in the CFP championship game, or had their teams appear in the CFP.

So once is enough? You're not very demanding.

 

[Michnit]

Its so hard to hire good football coaches. Why try? So what if the guy we have never sniffs the CNP?

I guess you could ask Georgia and LSU. They hired new coaches and won championships since 2015. Or you could ask tOSU and TCU, who hired new coaches and played in the championship game. Or Michigan, Cincinnati, Washington, and Oklahoma who appeared in the CFP after changing coaches. Yeh, its sooooo hard to do well with new coaches.

As for Michigan, you could reduce the HC's salary pending him making the CFP. That approach worked for scUM.

 

[MacNit2.0]

That's an assertion that is also totally inaccurate. Coaching contracts must be approved by the board of trustees compensation committee.

Ok…add those crooks to the list too.

 

[MacNit2.0]

And yet when Devyn Ford scored a TD against UI a few yrs back and many were calling JF a bonehead for not taking a knee, your reaction was to defend Franklin.

Cristobal deserves criticism. Damned right.

But Devyn Ford should not have been given the opportunity to get caught up in the moment and score either.

At least be consistent.

He is consistent. Coaches can do no wrong.

 

[marshall23]

You are trying to deflect the discussion away from the question that anyone with a modicum of intelligence would ask. That is, "Who could achieve better results than Franklin given the resources available to a Penn State coach?" No program with common sense would restrict their consideration to men with a record of past achievement at that level. They would consider potential, achievement at prior posts, and how the man would fit into their culture. I have answered who I would consider above, again without considering assistant coaches or NFL people.

So you got nothing

 

[marshall23]

You cant deal with facts. Your guy is incapable of achievement at an elite level. His record proves it. Other coaches can do just as well as him or better. Changing coaches a winning is far from impossible, other teams have done it. Coaching experience does not make you a superior analyst to any of us, who have lifetimes participating and watching the sport. Football is not rocket science, or civil engineering.

So when is the last time a civil engineer with "lifetimes participating and watching sport" got hired to be a D1 football coach ?

 

[marshall23]

As for Michigan, you could reduce the HC's salary pending him making the CFP. That approach worked for scUM.

We've pretty much proven what put Michigan over the top.

 

[Midnighter]

So once is enough? You're not very demanding.

Enough? Maybe not, but more than we can say.

 

[Ludd]

The honest question should be what coaches, given Penn State resources, could do better than Franklin. A man coaching at Purdue could be a great coach, but lack the resources needed to achieve results he could obtain at Penn State.

You want to stay with a guy who has a ten year record of failure against ranked teams? Losing 80 percent or more? You think it is so hard to find someone who can do better? How is it Georgia, TCU, Michigan, Oklahoma, Washington, Oregon, Ohio State and LSU can do it?

You didn’t mention Texas, Texas A&M, Nebraska, USC, Auburn, Miami, Tennessee…all with multiple coaching changes and no CFP appearances.

 

[Ludd]

Really? You think football coaching is as difficult as civil engineering?

Apparently since far fewer guys end up as D-1 coaches at top programs than end up in civil engineering.

 

[marshall23]

Apparently since far fewer guys end up as D-1 coaches at top programs than end up in civil engineering.

Have you ever heard a D1 football coach criticize a civil engineer? R E S P E C T!

 

[GrimReaper]

Enough? Maybe not, but more than we can say.

Yeah, but cherry picking like that can yield........Ed Orangutan.

 

[Ludd]

Have you ever heard a D1 football coach criticize a civil engineer? R E S P E C T!

Of course D-1 football coaches don’t sit on their couch thinking they can do better at the job of a civil engineer…they know enough to stay in their lane.

 

[Ludd]

Ten years. The guy has had ten years to get his program to a place it can win against ranked opponents on a regular basis. Look at his results. Its not like his critics are making things up. He has a record. He repeats time and again bad clock management and play calling in tight situations. Do we need to elaborate all the 4th quarter failures? Again, he has a record.

And you must have been a genius of a coach. I mean all the rest of us ever did was play football four or more years, were intimately involved when our kids played, and watched games in person and on tv for 60 years. Me with my poor engineering degree from Penn State and forty years of experience in industry management could never have the intelligence to understand the intricacies and subtleties of the game. I should bow to your vast knowledge and experience. Bull****

Do you really think watching football and watching your kids play make you more qualified to coach a D-1 program than the guys that have spent their lives doing it? Really?

 

[Michnit]

We've pretty much proven what put Michigan over the top.

Yeah, cutting Hairbaugh's salary

 

[marshall23]

Yeah, cutting Hairbaugh's salary

Watch out then. Because in 2024 he'll be at zero from Michigan.