Report: Saquon Barkley rejected Giants offer worth up to $14 million

[s1uggo72]

ftr.....
When McCaffrey agreed to convert $7,047,500 of his $8,037,500 base salary for the 2022 season into a signing bonus, it saved Carolina more than $5 million against the cap. Perhaps more importantly, it lowered his base salary to the bargain price of $990,000.

from espn

 

[PSUJam]

So when did you change the subject to salary cap maneuvering? LOL

You got me!

 

[PSUJam]

ftr.....
When McCaffrey agreed to convert $7,047,500 of his $8,037,500 base salary for the 2022 season into a signing bonus, it saved Carolina more than $5 million against the cap. Perhaps more importantly, it lowered his base salary to the bargain price of $990,000.

from espn

Yes. So the Giants can do the same with Saquon's new contract. That's what I've been trying to tell you.

 

[GrimReaper]

Owners and GM are scared -less to sign high percentage guaranteed contracts to contact positions. That's all this comes down to. Saquon says it's not even July yet, which is the hard date to get a contract in place. That's his bargaining chip and he's using it because that's all he's got besides a hold out.

Daniel Jones: 4 year, $160mm, $92mm guaranteed. Might be stupid, but doesn't seem to be the sign of a franchise scared shitless of large contracts and guarantees.

As for collusion, the numbers Barkley is asking for PLUS two first rounders is sufficient to keep any team from having interest.

 

[GrimReaper]

Yes. So the Giants can do the same with Saquon's new contract. That's what I've been trying to tell you.

Giants aren't willing to accede to Barkley's demand for guaranteed money and signing bonus is guaranteed.

 

[PSUJam]

Giants aren't willing to accede to Barkley's demand for guaranteed money and signing bonus is guaranteed.

We'll see who blinks first. I wonder if he still gets endorsement money in BitCoin?

 

[s1uggo72]

I think the deadline for them to get a new deal done is July 17, not March 17. After July 17 all he can do is sign the tag and play for a prorated contract, on a per game basis. (if he plays all the games he will get 100% of the tag amount)

Report: Saquon Barkley, Giants remain at a "stalemate" in contract talks

Giants running back Saquon Barkley's bid to land a long-term deal this offseason is in its final days and there doesn't appear to be much optimism that an extension is going to get done.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[BobPSU92]

Source: Week 1 for Barkley in jeopardy if no deal

Running back Saquon Barkley's availability for Week 1 will be in serious question if he doesn't reach a long-term deal with the New York Giants by Monday, a source told ESPN's Dianna Russini.

www.espn.com

 

[Nitt1300]

 

[LB99]

Saquon….don’t leave money on the table. Call up LeVeon and asked how that worked out. I think he is the most dynamic player on the Giants roster, but the market doesn’t warrant a blockbuster RB contract. Plus, if he holds out and gets injured training on his own, he gets nothing. Take the money and run.

 

[PSUJam]

Saquon….don’t leave money on the table. Call up LeVeon and asked how that worked out. I think he is the most dynamic player on the Giants roster, but the market doesn’t warrant a blockbuster RB contract. Plus, if he holds out and gets injured training on his own, he gets nothing. Take the money and run.

My guess is he gets $40mm over three years with most of it guaranteed and a team option for a 4th year.

 

[LB99]

My guess is he gets $40mm over three years with most of it guaranteed and a team option for a 4th year.

And if he does, he should take it. The guys on the NFL XM channel this evening were saying that the RB franchise tag amount is likely to go down next year. Just not a priority with the league having a 62% passing play rate on offense and teams deploying a 2-3 back rotation.

 

[PSUJam]

Just not a priority with the league having a 62% passing play rate on offense and teams deploying a 2-3 back rotation.

He had 64 receptions last season if you count the playoffs and carried for 1,400+ yards. He literally WAS the Giants offense. They didn't draft or sign any RB free agents to put together for a 2 or 3 back rotation that can come close to that production. Of course, Daboll could always revert to the Bills offense where they just abandon the run and lose in the playoffs each year. Their number one receiver is a TE in Waller, and besides Sterling Shepard who they signed to a 2 year deal, the rest of their WR signings this off season are 1 year deals.

Who has the leverage if they actually want to win? My money is on Saquon.

 

[LB99]

He had 64 receptions last season if you count the playoffs and carried for 1,400+ yards. He literally WAS the Giants offense. They didn't draft or sign any RB free agents to put together for a 2 or 3 back rotation that can come close to that production. Of course, Daboll could always revert to the Bills offense where they just abandon the run and lose in the playoffs each year. Their number one receiver is a TE in Waller, and besides Sterling Shepard who they signed to a 2 year deal, the rest of their WR signings this off season are 1 year deals.

Who has the leverage if they actually want to win? My money is on Saquon.

I don’t disagree with you, but the reality of the situation is that the league doesn’t put a high value on RBs.

 

[PSUJam]

I don’t disagree with you, but the reality of the situation is that the league doesn’t put a high value on RBs.

Yep. And there's no way that Geno Smith should get 3 years for $105mm because "that's the going market for QB". The reality is, Geno Smith is a mediocre QB that ended up starting in Seattle because the ownership gave huge contracts to the defensive side of the ball while Russell Wilson was on his rookie contract then when Russ got paid they had to let everyone go because of cap hits.

Geno is a backup on >75% of the teams in the NFL but is getting paid starter money because "it's the going rate", yet you have a guy like Saquon that the Giants run the offense through and he should take what he can get because, you know, that's "the going rate for RB". Maybe he should give them the Barry Sanders and take tell them to shove it. He'll make plenty of money outside of football in what ever he chooses the rest of his life.

 

[s1uggo72]

My guess is he gets $40mm over three years with most of it guaranteed and a team option for a 4th year.

He turned that deal down.,..

Giants offered Saquon Barkley $13 million per year; Barkley wanted $16 million

Before applying the franchise tag, the Giants tried to get Barkley signed to a multi-year deal.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[PSUJam]

He turned that deal down.,..

Giants offered Saquon Barkley $13 million per year; Barkley wanted $16 million

Before applying the franchise tag, the Giants tried to get Barkley signed to a multi-year deal.

www.nbcsports.com

Where in that NBC crap article does it mention guaranteed money?

If you know what CAP means then you'll see double CAP here.

 

[Nitt1300]

Yep. And there's no way that Geno Smith should get 3 years for $105mm because "that's the going market for QB". The reality is, Geno Smith is a mediocre QB that ended up starting in Seattle because the ownership gave huge contracts to the defensive side of the ball while Russell Wilson was on his rookie contract then when Russ got paid they had to let everyone go because of cap hits.

Geno is a backup on >75% of the teams in the NFL but is getting paid starter money because "it's the going rate", yet you have a guy like Saquon that the Giants run the offense through and he should take what he can get because, you know, that's "the going rate for RB". Maybe he should give them the Barry Sanders and take tell them to shove it. He'll make plenty of money outside of football in what ever he chooses the rest of his life.

You may be confusing fairness with business here.

 

[PSUJam]

Where in that NBC crap article does it mention guaranteed money?

If you know what CAP means then you'll see double CAP here.

Saquon himself says the article is a lie.

 

[PSUJam]

He turned that deal down.,..

Giants offered Saquon Barkley $13 million per year; Barkley wanted $16 million

Before applying the franchise tag, the Giants tried to get Barkley signed to a multi-year deal.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

Saquon himself says the article is a lie.

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So Jam… does Barkley play for the Giants this fall? This has gotten nuts. If you pay Jones you have to pay 26.

 

[Bvillebaron]

He had 64 receptions last season if you count the playoffs and carried for 1,400+ yards. He literally WAS the Giants offense. They didn't draft or sign any RB free agents to put together for a 2 or 3 back rotation that can come close to that production. Of course, Daboll could always revert to the Bills offense where they just abandon the run and lose in the playoffs each year. Their number one receiver is a TE in Waller, and besides Sterling Shepard who they signed to a 2 year deal, the rest of their WR signings this off season are 1 year deals.

Who has the leverage if they actually want to win? My money is on Saquon.

He had 64 receptions last season if you count the playoffs and carried for 1,400+ yards. He literally WAS the Giants offense. They didn't draft or sign any RB free agents to put together for a 2 or 3 back rotation that can come close to that production. Of course, Daboll could always revert to the Bills offense where they just abandon the run and lose in the playoffs each year. Their number one receiver is a TE in Waller, and besides Sterling Shepard who they signed to a 2 year deal, the rest of their WR signings this off season are 1 year deals.

Who has the leverage if they actually want to win? My money is on Saquon.

Love Saquon but maybe he should have a chat with Leveon Bell if no deal is worked out by next Monday.

 

[psu31trap]

There’s an interesting article on ESPN about Running backs. Supposedly Elliott, Cook and Fournette are still free agents with very limited interest. A previous poster made a valid point when he said “the game has changed to a passing game.” The transition from a Pro-Set offense to a Power Spread offense significantly changed the identity of most college and pro football teams. Then sprinkle in the rule changes to protect QB’s & WR (not necessarily RB’s) and you almost get 60 minutes of passing plays. All this is a win win for the league. Less concussions means less lawsuits and higher scoring games puts more people in seats.

Segueing back to the thread, unfortunately all this diminished the value of a running back. I do not know the specific’s behind the Giants offer. I did read somewhere that a decision must be made by 7/20. With Ezekiel Elliott and Dalvin Cook out there I would give the Giants offer serious consideration. JMHO

 

[bbrown]

There’s an interesting article on ESPN about Running backs. Supposedly Elliott, Cook and Fournette are still free agents with very limited interest. A previous poster made a valid point when he said “the game has changed to a passing game.” The transition from a Pro-Set offense to a Power Spread offense significantly changed the identity of most college and pro football teams. Then sprinkle in the rule changes to protect QB’s & WR (not necessarily RB’s) and you almost get 60 minutes of passing plays. All this is a win win for the league. Less concussions means less lawsuits and higher scoring games puts more people in seats.

Segueing back to the thread, unfortunately all this diminished the value of a running back. I do not know the specific’s behind the Giants offer. I did read somewhere that a decision must be made by 7/20. With Ezekiel Elliott and Dalvin Cook out there I would give the Giants offer serious consideration. JMHO

RB's are being devalued but IMO both Elliott and Fournette are past their prime. Cook on the other hand could be a nice get for someone.
I'm old school I still love a good strong/fast RB and a ground game.

 

[PSUJam]

So Jam… does Barkley play for the Giants this fall? This has gotten nuts. If you pay Jones you have to pay 26.

The media has made it nuts. Saquon said "It's not even July yet" about a month ago when asked about contract talks. Meanwhile, he's been working his tail off and has worked with Daniel Jones at a HS field recently. He'll sign before end of day Monday, and both side won't love the deal, which means it's fair.

 

[s1uggo72]

The media has made it nuts. Saquon said "It's not even July yet" about a month ago when asked about contract talks. Meanwhile, he's been working his tail off and has worked with Daniel Jones at a HS field recently. He'll sign before end of day Monday, and both side won't love the deal, which means it's fair.

he'll sign what before the end of Monday? His tender?

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

RB's are being devalued but IMO both Elliott and Fournette are past their prime. Cook on the other hand could be a nice get for someone.
I'm old school I still love a good strong/fast RB and a ground game.

But Saquan is not only the Giants best RB, but their best TE, WR, and best pass protector. Someone should ask Daniel Jones if 26 deserves the $$$$.

 

[LB99]

RB's are being devalued but IMO both Elliott and Fournette are past their prime. Cook on the other hand could be a nice get for someone.
I'm old school I still love a good strong/fast RB and a ground game.

Agree mostly, but Cook is frequently hurt, so he would slot in nicely to a RB rotation to save some wear and tear.

 

[PSUJam]

he'll sign what before the end of Monday? His tender?

Saquon Barkley contract update: Could it be ‘See you in September’ for Barkley?

Barkley, Giants said to "remain at a stalemate" in contract talks

www.bigblueview.com

 

[bbrown]

But Saquan is not only the Giants best RB, but their best TE, WR, and best pass protector. Someone should ask Daniel Jones if 26 deserves the $$$$.

I absolutely agree.

 

[GrimReaper]

But Saquan is not only the Giants best RB, but their best TE, WR, and best pass protector. Someone should ask Daniel Jones if 26 deserves the $$$$.

He's a better TE than Darren Waller? Good, then he can play all three positions at the same time and get paid accordingly.

If Daniel Jones thinks so much off Saquon he should be willing to relinquish $5mm-10mm of his salary p.a. to pay the man.

 

[PSUJam]

Is the era of the star running back over? Barnwell answers eight questions on how the NFL got here

Dalvin Cook and Ezekiel Elliott are free agents, and RBs are struggling to get paid. To see the future of the position, we first have to look back.

www.espn.com

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

He's a better TE than Darren Waller? Good, then he can play all three positions at the same time and get paid accordingly.

If Daniel Jones thinks so much off Saquon he should be willing to relinquish $5mm-10mm of his salary p.a. to pay the man.

IMO, DC's around the NFL stay up at nite worrying more about 26 than Darren Waller! Barkley is the Giants best runner and receiver....pay him accordingly. Or, send him to my Steelers!

 

[s1uggo72]

IMO, DC's around the NFL stay up at nite worrying more about 26 than Darren Waller! Barkley is the Giants best runner and receiver....pay him accordingly. Or, send him to my Steelers!

it seems to me the tag is accordingly in this day and age

 

[PSUJam]

Is anyone going to bring up the fact that Joey Porter Jr. hasn't signed a contract with the Steelers and training camp is 2 weeks out?

 

[GrimReaper]

IMO, DC's around the NFL stay up at nite worrying more about 26 than Darren Waller! Barkley is the Giants best runner and receiver....pay him accordingly. Or, send him to my Steelers!

So if the Giants lined Barkley up the same way they will Waller, he'll be a better TE? Similarly, if he were lined up in the left tackle slot, he'd be the best"pass blocker?" Both dubious propositions. Now, if you simply want to maintain that Barkley should get paid more that what the Giants are offering, you'll get no argument from me, but that's another kettle of fish.

 

[Midnighter]

Is anyone going to bring up the fact that Joey Porter Jr. hasn't signed a contract with the Steelers and training camp is 2 weeks out?

I see there are a number of first round picks who haven't signed yet either...

 

[PSUJam]

I see there are a number of first round picks who haven't signed yet either...

The sky isn't falling for them because they aren't one of ours.

 

[LionJim]

I see there are a number of first round picks who haven't signed yet either...

Twenty-five as of July 1.

https://nfltraderumors.co/unsigned-2023-nfl-draft-picks/

 

[BobPSU92]

I see there are a number of first round picks who haven't signed yet either...

Twenty-five as of July 1.

https://nfltraderumors.co/unsigned-2023-nfl-draft-picks/

Of course. Look at all the NIL money they got in “college”.