Sankey Needs to Have His Next Move Plotted, In Case...

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...the Pac 12 cannot get a decent TV package together, the Big 12 nabs the Arizona schools plus Colorado and Utah, AND Oregon and Washington wind up on the Big 10. All of these things are plausible. Stankey can't let the Big 10 become more valuable than the SEC. Sankey needs a counterpunch at the ready, UNLESS he intends to mount a preemptive first strike. Don't be naive. More schools means more value long term - if they are the right schools.
 

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I thought Sankey said the SEC was not going any bigger than 16 teams. I guess we are headed for SUPER conferences. Then the SEC can take over and push the NCAA out the back door. Bye Felicia.
 

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...the Pac 12 cannot get a decent TV package together, the Big 12 nabs the Arizona schools plus Colorado and Utah, AND Oregon and Washington wind up on the Big 10. All of these things are plausible. Stankey can't let the Big 10 become more valuable than the SEC. Sankey needs a counterpunch at the ready, UNLESS he intends to mount a preemptive first strike. Don't be naive. More schools means more value long term - if they are the right schools.
I can easily see that split between the B1G and the Big 12. Holds together what the B1G has histiorically felt is important and gives the B12 some big name schools.
 
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I thought Sankey said the SEC was not going any bigger than 16 teams. I guess we are headed for SUPER conferences. Then the SEC can take over and push the NCAA out the back door. Bye Felicia.
They don't have that big of a swinging...... Especially without the other two conferences joining and forming a new athletic oversight group. The NCAA is nothing but a large group of member UNIVERSITIES.
 
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Unless any added schools include Chapel Hill and UVA, there's zero chance of added value to the SEC. If we were going for 20, you could tack on Duke, Virginia Tech, or Georgia Tech. I don't think there's any school outside of those 5 that make any sense at all.
 

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Unless any added schools include Chapel Hill and UVA, there's zero chance of added value to the SEC. If we were going for 20, you could tack on Duke, Virginia Tech, or Georgia Tech. I don't think there's any school outside of those 5 that make any sense at all.
The B1G may be willing to cede Nebraska (especially since they lost their AAU status....lol).....but they prize they have wanted for a while is UND.
 

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The SEC will make a strong play for ND (or already is, depending on your source). It's long been assumed that ND to the Big Ten was an unavoidable reality, but that thinking was based on geography and traditional matchups, none of which are relevant in college football any longer. Take geography and tradition out of the picture and it's suddenly a wild card.
 

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The SEC will make a strong play for ND (or already is, depending on your source). It's long been assumed that ND to the Big Ten was an unavoidable reality, but that thinking was based on geography and traditional matchups, none of which are relevant in college football any longer. Take geography and tradition out of the picture and it's suddenly a wild card.
Supposedly, one reason UND "partially joined" the ACC was because of the academic prestige of several of its members (not that the ACC caving in to UNDs TV demands hurt),. If that remains true, I am not sure the SEC has a chance.....the SEC has Texas, TAMU, Florida and Mizzou....but no one else has that level of academic reputation.
 
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Most everyone is assuming ND will be the catalyst to the next big moves, on paper logical and the most obvious. There is going to be some very unexpected surprises for the next round. Expect 2-3 teams as a package to make the next move. One team in particular has a lot of smoke lately that may make the preliminary move early.
 
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Supposedly, one reason UND "partially joined" the ACC was because of the academic prestige of several of its members (not that the ACC caving in to UNDs TV demands hurt),. If that remains true, I am not sure the SEC has a chance.....the SEC has Texas, TAMU, Florida and Mizzou....but no one else has that level of academic reputation.
That could be a factor, but I’m jaded enough to believe that football and money win out.
 
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The SEC will make a strong play for ND (or already is, depending on your source). It's long been assumed that ND to the Big Ten was an unavoidable reality, but that thinking was based on geography and traditional matchups, none of which are relevant in college football any longer. Take geography and tradition out of the picture and it's suddenly a wild card.
Sad but true.
 

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I thought Sankey said the SEC was not going any bigger than 16 teams. I guess we are headed for SUPER conferences. Then the SEC can take over and push the NCAA out the back door. Bye Felicia.
The former commissioner of the B1G said the same thing. He probably meant it at the time. But he's gone and they need greater West Coast presence as a matter of proximate rivalries and logistics. If the Pac 12 starts splintering further, the B1G is going to take teams, and the SEC will need to counter. Otherwise, we'll be left behind in the next TV negotiation cycle after the one just past.
 

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Could there be a merger between the SEC and ACC ? It happens in the business world. Why not in sports? That way, there is no financial penalty for schools leaving the ACC.. The ACC commish would become Asst Commish of the new conference, eventually to succeed Sankey. Would be quite a power conference....best in football and basketball.
 
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Could there be a merger between the SEC and ACC ? It happens in the business world. Why not in sports? That way, there is no financial penalty for schools leaving the ACC.. The ACC commish would become Asst Commish of the new conference, eventually to succeed Sankey. Would be quite a power conference....best in football and basketball.
The SEC is the king of football. But the ACC still fancies themself a power. SEC ain’t giving up its name. There’s no way the ACC would go along.
 

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Rather than conferences expand, why not do a group deal with ESPN, etc. in which each league has its own identity?

For decades, the PAC 8/10/12 and the B1G have member schools schedule each other in many sports during the regular season anyway. Why couldn't the leagues have worked from that starting point rather than UCLA and SCAL bolting?
 

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The former commissioner of the B1G said the same thing. He probably meant it at the time. But he's gone and they need greater West Coast presence as a matter of proximate rivalries and logistics. If the Pac 12 starts splintering further, the B1G is going to take teams, and the SEC will need to counter. Otherwise, we'll be left behind in the next TV negotiation cycle after the one just past.
The B1G has a huge presence now out west with the LA Market. They could eventually and in all likelihood expand to take Stanford (N.Cal market, Wash and Oregon).
But ask yourself this question, since the B1G has a presence in the Mid-Atlantic, NE, Midwest, and Far West, where could they make the footprint they do not have now. Where could they immediately get a new foothold in recruiting.
Remove old biases for teams and or conferences. Think as if a business wants to expand into a new market, and into a rivals market at that.
 

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The B1G has a huge presence now out west with the LA Market. They could eventually and in all likelihood expand to take Stanford (N.Cal market, Wash and Oregon).
But ask yourself this question, since the B1G has a presence in the Mid-Atlantic, NE, Midwest, and Far West, where could they make the footprint they do not have now. Where could they immediately get a new foothold in recruiting.
Remove old biases for teams and or conferences. Think as if a business wants to expand into a new market, and into a rivals market at that.
UNC.
 

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The B1G has a huge presence now out west with the LA Market. They could eventually and in all likelihood expand to take Stanford (N.Cal market, Wash and Oregon).
But ask yourself this question, since the B1G has a presence in the Mid-Atlantic, NE, Midwest, and Far West, where could they make the footprint they do not have now. Where could they immediately get a new foothold in recruiting.
Remove old biases for teams and or conferences. Think as if a business wants to expand into a new market, and into a rivals market at that.
Fla St
 

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If history is any indication, whatever the SEC might do would be to expand its footprint in new states.
 

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The cost to leave the ACC is prohibitive. And their grant of rights is ironclad.

I saw one scenario a while back, that gave an escape clause for the GOR. It was if a certain number of members left, effectively dissolving the conference.

If the ACC were poached heavily by the B10 and SEC, that might be a possibility.
 

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I saw one scenario a while back, that gave an escape clause for the GOR. It was if a certain number of members left, effectively dissolving the conference.

If the ACC were poached heavily by the B10 and SEC, that might be a possibility.

Well, let's be honest, ESPN ultimately holds all the cards. What they want to happen will ultimately happen. That said....

The ACC GOR is pretty rock solid. The issue isn't leaving, though the exit fee is close to prohibitive ($50+ million). The main issue is the GOR locks up TV revenue through 2036. So any school that leaves would really end up losing hundreds of millions of dollars until the GOR expires.

I've not heard of an escape clause, but the ACC could capitulate if enough powerful schools like Clemson, FSU and UNC banded together, as you suggest, and got ESPN's backing. There's not even been a whiff of that though. The ACC and their member schools still see themselves as a power and I don't see any of the traditional ACC teams being willing to cut the cord. In today's college football world, though, who knows? Such a move could be announced later today.
 
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Well, let's be honest, ESPN ultimately holds all the cards. What they want to happen will ultimately happen. That said....

The ACC GOR is pretty rock solid. The issue isn't leaving, though the exit fee is close to prohibitive ($50+ million). The main issue is the GOR locks up TV revenue through 2036. So any school that leaves would really end up losing hundreds of millions of dollars until the GOR expires.

I've not heard of an escape clause, but the ACC could capitulate if enough powerful schools like Clemson, FSU and UNC banded together, as you suggest, and got ESPN's backing. There's not even been a whiff of that though. The ACC and their member schools still see themselves as a power and I don't see any of the traditional ACC teams being willing to cut the cord. In today's college football world, though, who knows? Such a move could be announced later today.
If what King Ward said was to happen, I could see both the SEC and ACC decide to merge into one league. These kinds of things happen all the time in the business world to the surprise.....to the shock of Wall Street.....out of the blue. And college sports is a business.....a big business. If the SEC and ACC determined it was in their financial best interest to merge, they'd do it, with the approval of the tv boys, of course.. If it happened, forming a league stretching from the southwest, touching the midwest, through the southeast and all the way up the eastern seaboard, it would be a league unrivaled. It would be a league combining the best in college football and college basketball. Often when mergers happen, they happen with discussions in secret, out of daylight. I'm not saying it will happen. I am saying that we don't know what we don't know.
 
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I would prefer to scrap the existing conferences and create a national league that respects historical and regional rivalries and national/prominent games. In place of a new league, an ACC/SEC merger makes a lot of sense.
 
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If what King Ward said was to happen, I could see both the SEC and ACC decide to merge into one league. These kinds of things happen all the time in the business world to the surprise.....to the shock of Wall Street.....out of the blue. And college sports is a business.....a big business. If the SEC and ACC determined it was in their financial best interest to merge, they'd do it, with the approval of the tv boys, of course.. If it happened, forming a league stretching from the southwest, touching the midwest, through the southeast and all the way up the eastern seaboard, it would be a league unrivaled. It would be a league combining the best in college football and college basketball. Often when mergers happen, they happen with discussions in secret, out of daylight. I'm not saying it will happen. I am saying that we don't know what we don't know.
Correct, like how aTm and Mizzou were invited to join the SEC. I'm personally not thrilled with all of it, but I do understand.
 

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If what King Ward said was to happen, I could see both the SEC and ACC decide to merge into one league. These kinds of things happen all the time in the business world to the surprise.....to the shock of Wall Street.....out of the blue. And college sports is a business.....a big business. If the SEC and ACC determined it was in their financial best interest to merge, they'd do it, with the approval of the tv boys, of course.. If it happened, forming a league stretching from the southwest, touching the midwest, through the southeast and all the way up the eastern seaboard, it would be a league unrivaled. It would be a league combining the best in college football and college basketball. Often when mergers happen, they happen with discussions in secret, out of daylight. I'm not saying it will happen. I am saying that we don't know what we don't know.

It's not likely, but it's certainly possible. And the scenario you describe is quite distinct from a few teams trying to jump ship from the ACC. In your scenario, the GOR is a non-factor.
 

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It's not likely, but it's certainly possible. And the scenario you describe is quite distinct from a few teams trying to jump ship from the ACC. In your scenario, the GOR is a non-factor.
Exactlty....the GOR would be out the window.

I will add that I would have mixed feelings about a merger, leaning to not wanting it to happen.
 

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If you’re going by quality of sports programs; I would have to disagree.
Year in, year out, over the longest period of time in the most sports, and throwing in their academic reputation to boot, their brand is unassailable in the ACC
 
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If what King Ward said was to happen, I could see both the SEC and ACC decide to merge into one league. These kinds of things happen all the time in the business world to the surprise.....to the shock of Wall Street.....out of the blue. And college sports is a business.....a big business. If the SEC and ACC determined it was in their financial best interest to merge, they'd do it, with the approval of the tv boys, of course.. If it happened, forming a league stretching from the southwest, touching the midwest, through the southeast and all the way up the eastern seaboard, it would be a league unrivaled. It would be a league combining the best in college football and college basketball. Often when mergers happen, they happen with discussions in secret, out of daylight. I'm not saying it will happen. I am saying that we don't know what we don't know.
I agree. But some schools would be excluded, I believe, and therein would lie the rub.
 

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Supposedly, one reason UND "partially joined" the ACC was because of the academic prestige of several of its members (not that the ACC caving in to UNDs TV demands hurt),. If that remains true, I am not sure the SEC has a chance.....the SEC has Texas, TAMU, Florida and Mizzou....but no one else has that level of academic reputation.
I guess the fake classes at UNC has been forgotten.
 
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I would prefer to scrap the existing conferences and create a national league that respects historical and regional rivalries and national/prominent games. In place of a new league, an ACC/SEC merger makes a lot of sense.
But that could not be centrally managed because no entity has the power. It's not the NFL. The conferences themselves would have to get together.