Are you done with Franklin?

[rigi19040]

Comparing Frankin to Joe shows you are not serious.

Marcus Freeman has a better resume in the last fortnight…including beating the Knute Rockne of Central PA himself.

Do we have our heads in the sand so badly that we do not realize the entire CFB would is laughing. And they are holding a sheet of paper with the evidence to back it up - guilty as charged.

Who I “root for” is not relevant here. I am a PSU guy - through and through.

But I am not naive enough to see the handwriting on the wall. Losing virtually every big game is Franklin’s forte.

As Bob Dole used to say: you know it, I know it, the American people know it.

My Penn State daughters just assume we will lose any important game - its all they know. I have to show them that it did not used to be that way - in fact it was once quite the opposite.

We can do better (also could do worse ). I am in the camp of willing to try to get out this football purgatory.

BTW, I would say that most of the Lettermen feel this way. That counts for something I would think.

Who do you and other fans comparing Franklin with? Rhule, golden, schiano and O'Brien have a total of zero top 5 wins combined for their careers. Zero.

Who is laughing? What place did their teams finish? Only two teams did better.

I love how you now speak for the letterman. Did they think the team could do better after 1994? Any top 2 finishes after 1994?

 

[Marshall2323]

Marshall's obsessive and compulsive cattiness extends beyond anyone who criticizes coaches and extends to BOB. Who knew?

Which way to the front Moogy?

 

[Marshall2323]

Booing seems to get under Franklin’s skin as he adds to his record of futility against teams with a pulse.

He has gotten into two heated arguments with students.

So keep booing - that’s an easy one.

Do your part in withholding NIL.

Support movement in key PSU Letterman to get PSU to give someone else a chance to “play’em close” and maybe even pull an upset and/or win a big game every few decades.

6 more years and an extension on the way!

 

[Marshall2323]

Comparing Frankin to Joe shows you are not serious.

Marcus Freeman has a better resume in the last fortnight…including beating the Knute Rockne of Central PA himself.

Do we have our heads in the sand so badly that we do not realize the entire CFB would is laughing. And they are holding a sheet of paper with the evidence to back it up - guilty as charged.

Who I “root for” is not relevant here. I am a PSU guy - through and through.

But I am not naive enough to see the handwriting on the wall. Losing virtually every big game is Franklin’s forte.

As Bob Dole used to say: you know it, I know it, the American people know it.

My Penn State daughters just assume we will lose any important game - its all they know. I have to show them that it did not used to be that way - in fact it was once quite the opposite.

We can do better (also could do worse ). I am in the camp of willing to try to get out this football purgatory.

BTW, I would say that most of the Lettermen feel this way. That counts for something I would think.

Joe's last 11 years 87-46
Franklin 11 years 101-42

Joe's record in the Big 10 conference 95-54
Franklin's record in the Big 10 64-33

So while Joe thrived in the late 60's the 70's and into the 80's....that was 40 and 50 years ago. He was the greatest then.
Since joining the Big Ten Franklin actually has a higher winning percentage (oops did the fanboys account for sanctions?)

The wailing of misinformed and entitled fanboys who harbor hopes that James Franklin will be fired is a veritable belly laugh. It brings me here each day with the anticipation I once had each Sunday when I opened the comics section of the newspaper.
Kraft is actually more likely to give Franklin an extension this off season.

But hey, #4 in the nation? WE DESERVE BETTER! LOL LOL LOL

 

[Marshall2323]

Comparing Frankin to Joe shows you are not serious.

Marcus Freeman has a better resume in the last fortnight…including beating the Knute Rockne of Central PA himself.

Do we have our heads in the sand so badly that we do not realize the entire CFB would is laughing. And they are holding a sheet of paper with the evidence to back it up - guilty as charged.

Who I “root for” is not relevant here. I am a PSU guy - through and through.

But I am not naive enough to see the handwriting on the wall. Losing virtually every big game is Franklin’s forte.

As Bob Dole used to say: you know it, I know it, the American people know it.

My Penn State daughters just assume we will lose any important game - its all they know. I have to show them that it did not used to be that way - in fact it was once quite the opposite.

We can do better (also could do worse ). I am in the camp of willing to try to get out this football purgatory.

BTW, I would say that most of the Lettermen feel this way. That counts for something I would think.

How did coaching genius Marcus Freeman lose to NI? LOL
I wonder how many ND alums were planning his statue that day? Amazing how much football he learned since then.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

How did coaching genius Marcus Freeman lose to NI? LOL
I wonder how many ND alums were planning his statue that day? Amazing how much football he learned since then.

He really thinks he changing hearts here and any day now he's waiting for Kraft to call him to thank him for waking up the rest of the fan base to this awful run PSU has been on. I'm past even entertaining these rocks who play pretend AD and think they are on to something. JF isn't going anywhere right now and these folks that want him to go will just have to wait. Not one coach in the land went undefeated, but only 3 others made it as far as PSU did this year.

I think he thinks....oh if I keep saying this all the lights will go on for everyone else and change is going to occur....something like that must be it. That guy that didn't take us to the MNC game is holding PSU back for the guy we cannot even name....it's a great take as it's fantasy as there is no solution. Just any other HC could do better is the theme basically. It's hard to be a PSU fan right now, what a champ he is for sticking by this 3-13 team.

 

[Marshall2323]

He really thinks he changing hearts here and any day now he's waiting for Kraft to call him to thank him for waking up the rest of the fan base to this awful run PSU has been on. I'm past even entertaining these rocks who play pretend AD and think they are on to something. JF isn't going anywhere right now and these folks that want him to go will just have to wait. Not one coach in the land went undefeated, but only 3 others made it as far as PSU did this year.

I think he thinks....oh if I keep saying this all the lights will go on for everyone else and change is going to occur....something like that must be it. That guy that didn't take us to the MNC game is holding PSU back for the guy we cannot even name....it's a great take as it's fantasy as there is no solution. Just any other HC could do better is the theme basically. It's hard to be a PSU fan right now, what a champ he is for sticking by this 3-13 team.

I wonder how many D1 athletic directors would fire a guy with Franklin's resume, a 50 million dollar plus buyout and explain it to his administration by simply saying...." it could be better or it could be worse" but I'm making a change.
This site is often comedy gold.

 

[HappyValley1]

Booing seems to get under Franklin’s skin as he adds to his record of futility against teams with a pulse.

He has gotten into two heated arguments with students.

So keep booing - that’s an easy one.

Do your part in withholding NIL.

Support movement in key PSU Letterman to get PSU to give someone else a chance to “play’em close” and maybe even pull an upset and/or win a big game every few decades.

Let me guess….big Barry and Lubrano fan?

 

[LaJollaCreek]

Let me guess….big Barry and Lubrano fan?

PSU where some of the dumbest fans actively work to sabotage the program and coach....and think they are really doing something. I've seen some really awful takes on this site, but boo the HC who was on the doorstep of a MNC game and don't help to stay competitive with NIL really takes the trophy. I do think you're on to something with Lubs, Barry, or Jay's ear with a some of this base. It's funny how night and day different the pay sites are as compared to the blue hair board here.

 

[Marshall2323]

PSU where some of the dumbest fans actively work to sabotage the program and coach....and think they are really doing something. I've seen some really awful takes on this site, but boo the HC who was on the doorstep of a MNC game and don't help to stay competitive with NIL really takes the trophy. I do think you're on to something with Lubs, Barry, or Jay's ear with a some of this base. It's funny how night and day different the pay sites are as compared to the blue hair board here.

They booed Sean Clifford. Ranted about how he was in the way of Allar...Who one poster insisted, should have been named the starter the day he stepped on campus. It isn't unique to PSU. It's a national epidemic.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

They booed Sean Clifford. Ranted about how he was in the way of Allar...Who one poster insisted, should have been named the starter the day he stepped on campus. It isn't unique to PSU. It's a national epidemic.

Not sure where I've seen too many of the bigger programs work against a winning coach like PSU does....even more so with NIL. UM lost in the semis and paid to bring everyone back. tOSU lost 3 straight to UM and put out a 20 million dollar roster. I know it's a small minority, but they are pretty damn vocal and basically just repeat talking heads radio. When these same fans say why can't we.....they are the only ones now rowing in the wrong direction.

 

[Moogy]

Which way to the front Moogy?

That way ... it's a long walk on a short pier. You can't miss it.

Maybe we can shoot you and MacNit out of cannons, directly at one another ... perhaps the reaction from two highly opposite charged particles will cancel each other out and we'll end up with 1 normal poster as a result.

 

[Marshall2323]

That way ... it's a long walk on a short pier. You can't miss it.

Maybe we can shoot you and MacNit out of cannons, directly at one another ... perhaps the reaction from two highly opposite charged particles will cancel each other out and we'll end up with 1 normal poster as a result.

Are you declaring yourself "normal? "

 

[rigi19040]

I remember a few at Maryland wins that I would count.

How about at #1 Ohio State? At #1 Notre Dame. At #1 Pitt. Just for starters.

What are the Franklin compareables?

Who would you replace Franklin with? Pick anyone. Give us your short list. We can make some comparisons. There are only two who did better.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Who would you replace Franklin with? Pick anyone. Give us your short list. We can make some comparisons. There are only two who did better.

Not our job. Don’t be ascared of change. The good news is we can still make a run with our 2 guaranteed losses. As far as I’m concerned big game Jim is almost a non issue.
As I look at the schedule the next 3 years, we don’t have 3 guaranteed losses, only 2. When USC becomes a guaranteed loss is anyone’s guess, but sooner or later they will be.

 

[Catch1lion]

Not our job. Don’t be ascared of change. The good news is we can still make a run with our 2 guaranteed losses. As far as I’m concerned big game Jim is almost a non issue.
As I look at the schedule the next 3 years, we don’t have 3 guaranteed losses, only 2. When USC becomes a guaranteed loss is anyone’s guess, but sooner or later they will be.

3 one score losses . I don’t see many blaming him for ND. He’s narrowed the gap to beat the best . I think SMU and Boise were both solid wins . People are moving the goalposts . I’m riding with James and let’s see what 2025 brings .

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

3 one score losses . I don’t see many blaming him for ND. He’s narrowed the gap to beat the best . I think SMU and Boise were both solid wins . People are moving the goalposts . I’m riding with James and let’s see what 2025 brings .

Like we all should, I stepped back, looked at the body of this seasons work, factored in the new beautiful big and the new bountiful playoff system, and saw that if was good. I have zero complaints about coach at this time.
He loses to Iowa next year adding 1 loss to his 2 guaranteed loses and I will call for his head.
im on record State wins at least 1 playoff game next season. I’m not traveling west next year so im driving up to the O game, cant wait

 

[rigi19040]

Not our job. Don’t be ascared of change. The good news is we can still make a run with our 2 guaranteed losses. As far as I’m concerned big game Jim is almost a non issue.
As I look at the schedule the next 3 years, we don’t have 3 guaranteed losses, only 2. When USC becomes a guaranteed loss is anyone’s guess, but sooner or later they will be.

Is it your job to post here?

Are you "ascared" of giving your opinion?

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Is it your job to post here?

Are you "ascared" of giving your opinion?

You’d laugh at me if you knew what my retirement job was. But free time is plentiful

 

[MacNit]

None of them were in his first 10 years.

St joe had zero wins vs teams that finished in the top 5 in his first 10 years. 0-9. He was 1-9 vs teams ranked top 5. Only win was mighty NC state who finished outside the top 15.


Joe is dead. Would you replace franklin with joes rotting corpse? Rhule, schiano, golden and O'Brien have a total of zero top 5 wins combined. That is the comparables.

Joe won a heck of a lot of big games and bowl games and games on road against top ranked teams. He had the most wins in NCAA history. He had more bowl wins than many top programs.

This Included major bowl games within his first couple of years along with 3 unbeaten and untied seasons in 1st 8 years.

He was so highly respected that HE WAS OFFERED COACH AND PART OWNERSHIP OF AN NFL FRANCHISE! not WR coach - OWNER.

If you want to cherry pick some era or circumstance - have at it. But if you are making a comparison, you must be a professional in jousting at windmills. Laughable to compare the two.

Franklin has done zilch compare to that.

Give any of those 5 coaches you named (and quite a few others) a job like PSU and you could see better results than Franklin.

Name his signature road win at Penn State.

 

[MacNit]

6 more years and an extension on the way!

We can only hope…some people are a glutton for punishment.

These are many of the same morons who threw Joe under the bus - so I am sure that makes you happy. He only built the football program and the school.

Same incompetent management that drove our academic rankings into the toilet from the heights that Joe and Bryce Jordan led us.

Same stooges that fiddled while tuition skyrocketed.

Awesome job all around! Hopefully it won’t be just 6- year extension. 26 would be better. Perhaps by then we will win another big game. Maybe even a road game!

Champagne for everyone!

 

[MacNit]

Joe's last 11 years 87-46
Franklin 11 years 101-42

Joe's record in the Big 10 conference 95-54
Franklin's record in the Big 10 64-33

So while Joe thrived in the late 60's the 70's and into the 80's....that was 40 and 50 years ago. He was the greatest then.
Since joining the Big Ten Franklin actually has a higher winning percentage (oops did the fanboys account for sanctions?)

The wailing of misinformed and entitled fanboys who harbor hopes that James Franklin will be fired is a veritable belly laugh. It brings me here each day with the anticipation I once had each Sunday when I opened the comics section of the newspaper.
Kraft is actually more likely to give Franklin an extension this off season.

But hey, #4 in the nation? WE DESERVE BETTER! LOL LOL LOL

Joe's last 11 years 87-46
Franklin 11 years 101-42

Joe's record in the Big 10 conference 95-54
Franklin's record in the Big 10 64-33

So while Joe thrived in the late 60's the 70's and into the 80's....that was 40 and 50 years ago. He was the greatest then.
Since joining the Big Ten Franklin actually has a higher winning percentage (oops did the fanboys account for sanctions?)

The wailing of misinformed and entitled fanboys who harbor hopes that James Franklin will be fired is a veritable belly laugh. It brings me here each day with the anticipation I once had each Sunday when I opened the comics section of the newspaper.
Kraft is actually more likely to give Franklin an extension this off season.

But hey, #4 in the nation? WE DESERVE BETTER! LOL LOL LOL

Nice cherry picking. But even a product of the failed public school bureaucracy (and failed in incredibly kind and generous) knows better than that.

 

[MacNit]

I wonder how many D1 athletic directors would fire a guy with Franklin's resume, a 50 million dollar plus buyout and explain it to his administration by simply saying...." it could be better or it could be worse" but I'm making a change.
This site is often comedy gold.

Georgia wonders that all the time.

So does Alabama.

This site is full of fanboys.

 

[MacNit]

Who would you replace Franklin with? Pick anyone. Give us your short list. We can make some comparisons. There are only two who did better.

Lots of possibilities.

Who came up with the idea of Marcus Freeman. This board would have scoffed.

Just passed us in the speed lane..

 

[MacNit]

Let me guess….big Barry and Lubrano fan?

Talk to the Letterman. But hey, what would they know.

 

[Marshall2323]

We can only hope…some people are a glutton for punishment.

These are many of the same morons who threw Joe under the bus - so I am sure that makes you happy. He only built the football program and the school.

Same incompetent management that drove our academic rankings into the toilet from the heights that Joe and Bryce Jordan led us.

Same stooges that fiddled while tuition skyrocketed.

Awesome job all around! Hopefully it won’t be just 6- year extension. 26 would be better. Perhaps by then we will win another big game. Maybe even a road game!

Champagne for everyone!

It may be difficult for you to comprehend but I think Joe was the greatest educator/coach (in any sport) of all time. Holding Joe in the highest regard does not preclude having respect for what James Franklin has done.
Even the most ardent Joe supporters recognize that when BOB and then Franklin came along.....many things were in need of improvement. Coaches salaries and facilities to name two.

 

[Marshall2323]

Georgia wonders that all the time.

So does Alabama.

This site is full of fanboys.

Did Richt get a 50 million dollar buyout? Money aside, as I'm sure you have those kinds of assets......I may be in the minority of folks in that I actually prefer Mark Richt. If winning with absolutely no standards of behavior or discipline is acceptable, then Smart is your guy. I will acknowledge that it seems that is where college football is headed. But I remain one who believes there should still be an element of success with honor.
Mike Shula was 10-23 prior to Nick Saban. How much research have you done?
The example you didn't mention, curiously, was Nebraska.
Which brings us back to the wisdom of replacing a successful coach with the explanation ....."it could be better......or it could get worse.

Nice cherry picking. But even a product of the failed public school bureaucracy (and failed in incredibly kind and generous) knows better than that.

Actually apples to apples. Joe's record in the big ten is what it is.....head to head with James.
How many wins would Franklin have, if he accumulated them at the current rate, after 46 years?
Hopefully even someone like you.....can come up with that number. But hey, we deserve better!

 

[Marshall2323]

Lots of possibilities.

Who came up with the idea of Marcus Freeman. This board would have scoffed.

Just passed us in the speed lane..

Freeman 3 year record 33-8. Franklin 34-8.
Fire Freeman!

 

[Pittston-Lion]

Nice cherry picking. But even a product of the failed public school bureaucracy (and failed in incredibly kind and generous) knows better than that.

I have to ask, how do you feel those numbers are cherry picked? It’s literally their BIG records side by side.

 

[ChandlerPearce58]

I agree with those who vote "give someone else a try."
I think Franklin would be fine with his 56 million dollar parting gift.
Now that's done.
Who do "we " hire and what will it cost?
I say Al Golden for 7 million and 5 years.

Maybe our BOT could set parameters/guidelines for individuals to be considered for an interview to be our new DC to insure we get someone "like us"!

 

[Catch1lion]

You’d laugh at me if you knew what my retirement job was. But free time is plentiful

 

[ChandlerPearce58]

The Patriots had Tom Brady, and there was only one of him.

Also, the Patriots didn't win *every* year. They had a dynasty, sure, but they also lost twice in the Super Bowl, and even missed the playoffs once when they went 11-5.

But more to the point: I referred to losing to teams with superior talent. It was the first thing I mentioned. The issue is that on Thursday, we were the better team. We had more talent. But as Midnighter said: we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

If we had gone in to the NCG, and lost to Ohio State, I'd say, "Hey, it's tough to beat OSU. They're straight up investing more money in winning than we are, and that matters."

But that's not what happened. Penn State may have been a slight underdog in this game, but it's not because they had less talent on the field, and I think everyone knows that.

Many of the "experts" stated PSU was a great team...BUT...CJF can't win a big game. That is an earned evaluation, that to many people believe and casts doubt toward the program.

 

[Catch1lion]

We deserve better /s

 

[ChandlerPearce58]

He won that Pinstripe Bowl over Bill O'Brien, who coached PSU to an undefeated (and completely defeated) "bowl record", a 15-9 W-L record, and coach of the year honors. Maybe Penn State should bring him back?

***use sarcasm detector***

For some reason this board enjoys bashing past PSU players.....I would also interview Schiano but wonder if our BOT would allow it since he worked under Joe.

 

[BobPSU92]

We deserve better /s

The ninth-best coach finished fourth. He overachieved. EXTENSION.

 

[Catch1lion]

The ninth-best coach finished fourth. He overachieved. EXTENSION.

 

[BobPSU92]

Kraft to his admin every morning: If anyone calls, take a message. Also, I’ll be busy today. No disruptions. *slams office door*

 

[Lionville]

The ninth-best coach finished fourth. He overachieved. EXTENSION.

It’s coming.

 

[leinbacker]

I would be happy if someone would move Franklin’s cheese

 

[BiochemPSU]

This thread, now 7 pages, is living proof that the “10-2 is great” crowd were absolutely full of crap all of these seasons.

Sean Clifford never delivered a single playoff game, let alone a win. Drew gave you three games and two wins, yet I see him getting scoffed at while James is getting praised for the exact same accomplishments by the 10-2 is awesome crowd. Sick.