How can anyone still support Fraud Franklin?

LaJollaCreek

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Thanks for proving my point. As long as they can get 100K in the stadium, they won't change. As long as the kids graduate and there are no major scandals, you can continue to look down your nose at the Ohio States and Alabamas of the world and celebrate those wins over Iowa and Maryland.

In the meantime, the Ohio Stats and Alabamas of the world are trying to win national championships and are thrilled that Penn State is satified with being second tier.

Cheers.
I'm sure your protest here will spark that change. LOL, you really have it all figured out. One dumb message board cliche after another.
 

LaJollaCreek

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You and your "fire Franklin" ilk are like the Joker in Batman. Your'e just in it for the chaos, you don't care what happens as long as it burns.
No, they want to be "right" about how bad he is and they know that have the same 2-3 lines to fall back to. They also know he won't be fired and if you take the field over any HC in the long run you will win. He's not a perfect HC, there is no such thing. There are things I wish he would do. Have a Beau package that is ready to go if the offense is stalling. I won't kick and scream because it isn't happening because I'm in no real position to. PSU has gotten better in the last 2 years, but there is still work to be done. Blowing it up right now is clearly the most sane course of action OR the emotional knuckle draggers are still crying/pouting.

PSU has fans that want to pretend it's 1986 and PSU recruits anyone they want to, but they don't. PSU wants to be Bama, UGA, or tOSU, but a portion fanbase wants the HC to win a MNC first before they start giving again or support NIL. We want to pretend we have the same talent as tOSU and UM because we are closer than others in our conference, but clearly the B1G has awful coaches as not too many are beating them. These upsets on the road are a dime a dozen against top 5 teams. I think Smart is 0-4 on the road against the top 10...could be wrong but I read that recently.
 

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Inside the box some PSU fans think or basically pretend he is awful. Other schools see a coach who consistently puts team in the top 10. So yes a ton of schools would love to have him. FSU and USC were two that approached him in years past. I"m sure there were others too.....but some fans are emotional twits after a loss and some are in life in general. Watch any site after a loss and their coach is a moron. OSU fans are already sending whispers about Day due to his losses to UM. UM fans wanted Harbaugh gone just 2 years ago. Some fans are just idiots and we have to hear them unfortunately.

Harbaugh agreed to cut his salary and make significant staff changes to get to the next level. Penn State doesn’t have that luxury thanks to Sandy.
 

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Until there is a system where the actual play on the field counts and win your division, league etc, there will never be a “true” MNC. Opinions matter too much in this sport. Imagine if all the professional sports leagues adopted this approach? IMO that is why it is so difficult to win a MNC. Bottom line is it is all about the Benjamins
 
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LaJollaCreek

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Harbaugh agreed to cut his salary and make significant staff changes to get to the next level. Penn State doesn’t have that luxury thanks to Sandy.
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One of my coaches way back when (a very successful coach) taught me that it is the little things that make the biggest difference over the course of the game (and even in my career). Could this be the difference of getting PSU over the hump? I have no idea what is being coached or what goes on behind the scenes and only see what is on the telly. My observations are that PSU is not a well coached team. Sloppy and undisciplined at times. Many mistakes from week to week. Inconsistent. Having to run gimmick plays means that your normal plays are not working like you want them. Sure, blame the players for poor execution or whatever, but to me it comes down to coaching the little things and/or fine tuning the little things(foot work, leverage, hand placement, hitting your landmark, carry out fakes when you know you're not getting the ball, route running, etc). Seems like we keep trying to force players into the offense instead of adjusting the offense to the talent you have. Offense has always been a challenge in the Franklin era, constantly inconsistent. Even when we won the Big 10, offense was a inconsistent but the talent on the field were able to overcome that at times. I don't know. I am still a fan but watching the offense is frustrating year in and year out. Hats off to the defense for keeping it close and keeping us in the game.
 

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I'm sure your protest here will spark that change. LOL, you really have it all figured out. One dumb message board cliche after another.


You keep falling back on the same defense every time. That's pretty telling. As much as you want to dismiss people and their "message board cliches" you pretty clearly have accepted 10-2 as Franklin's ceiling. And hey man, that's cool. If you're fine with losing to every Top 10 team Penn State plays as long as the program has "good kids", keeps a grad rate above 90%, and avoids major scandal than you're going to be happy.

When the playoff expands to 12, you'll get a handful of playoff appearances and maybe even a win or two. But you'll fan back on the same thing I've been hearing for 20 years when they don't win anything of significance.
 

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Franklin is a good coach, a good man, and a good representative of our university.
He is not, nor do I think he ever will be, a great coach.

I think the problem is more one of trajectory. I think it's been Midnighter (forgive me if I'm wrong on that) that has pointed out that coaches seem to "peak" around year 3-4 in terms of CFP/MNC potential. I think what happens then is that other coaches "figure them out" and find a way to beat them.

While Saban's run at Bama lasted a long time, people are starting to "figure him out". Smart certainly has. In time, someone will figure him out as well.

Looks like Dabo has been "figured out" too.

Harbaugh has figured out how to beat OSU, but in time someone will figure him out as well (but I think he's NFL bound anyway.

So, on to Franklin.

He almost had it "figured out" in 2016-2019. Bottom line...I don't think he's going to magically figure it out in year 10.

Now, as people have pointed out, I would sign up for 10-2 perennial Top Ten finishes, but.....

My fear is who is figuring Franklin out? He went from vying with OSU as best in the conference to vying with UM for second in the conference. The fear with Franklin isn't perennial 3rd place finishes......the fear in year 10 is what other teams are figuring HIM out.

Not saying fire him. Not saying 10-2 is not a great season.


On Saban...part of what keeps him fresh is that his coordinators keep getting hired for better jobs. So he keeps bringing in new coordinators who bring new wrinkles in on offense and defense. They went from being a power run team to a spread offense. That extended his run. What's happening now is he reached for an OC in Tommy Rees and now they're paying the price. Rees might grow into the job. But for right now, they're vulnerable.
 
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And they still haven’t won anything of significance.
I'm guessing you are being TIC - or maybe I misread the post.

Michigan has just completed back to back years where they:
Beat BOTH OSU and PSU
Won the B10 Title
and went to the 4-team tourney.


Over the last 10 years:
PSU has beaten both OSU and UM in the same season 0 times in 10 tries (but lost to both 5 times, 6 if they don't beat UM this year)
Won one B10 title
and never went to the tourney.
 

LaJollaCreek

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You keep falling back on the same defense every time. That's pretty telling. As much as you want to dismiss people and their "message board cliches" you pretty clearly have accepted 10-2 as Franklin's ceiling. And hey man, that's cool. If you're fine with losing to every Top 10 team Penn State plays as long as the program has "good kids", keeps a grad rate above 90%, and avoids major scandal than you're going to be happy.

When the playoff expands to 12, you'll get a handful of playoff appearances and maybe even a win or two. But you'll fan back on the same thing I've been hearing for 20 years when they don't win anything of significance.
Yeah...I accepted it because I'm not in the position to fire him and he isn't going to be fired. LOL...you keep playing that game. How come since you haven't accepted it, nothing has changed? Oh wait....because you are simply just talking out your arse upset after a loss. It's the folks on the message boards holding PSU back from firing JF. Thanks for playing.

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I wonder what USC fans are saying about Lincoln Riley? They have the number one QB in the country along with a roster with five 5 stars and they're one spot ahead of James Madison in the AP poll.
 

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I'm guessing you are being TIC - or maybe I misread the post.

Michigan has just completed back to back years where they:
Beat BOTH OSU and PSU
Won the B10 Title
and went to the 4-team tourney.


Over the last 10 years:
PSU has beaten both OSU and UM in the same season 0 times in 10 tries (but lost to both 5 times, 6 if they don't beat UM this year)
Won one B10 title
and never went to the tourney.
Michigan has also been caught cheating in multiple facets, so there's that.
 

Alphalion75

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In order to win football games you have to make plays. After our game on Saturday, I watched the Tennessee/Alabama game. Then later, I watched a recording of our game. And what stood out to me was that Bama made plays. A key block here, a good cut by the running back, a hitch in a pass route etc etc. I can't explain it. In our game I didn't see any of this. We whiffed on blocks, the running backs made the wrong cuts, wide outs couldn't shrug coverages etc. Now, is that due to coaching or the talent. For me, I believe the "it" factor in football are the players' instincts. The game us too fast to be able to think everything through. The better players have the better instincts for the game. If you don't know what I'm referring to, watch a highlight video of the great Barry Sanders. Instinctively one of the best ever. Guys like Sanders just Instinctively know when to cut, where to run, know the angles. On Saturday, for the most part, our guys didn't do this. We have good athletes, some outstanding athletes. But do we have guys with good instincts for the game?
 
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I wonder what USC fans are saying about Lincoln Riley? They have the number one QB in the country along with a roster with five 5 stars and they're one spot ahead of James Madison in the AP poll.
Let's just say that Jen Cohen gets more phone calls every week.
 

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I've been saying this for ever and ever, making the playoffs or winning a National Championship goes far beyond a head coach. The entire institution "must" buy into that journey. Look at Alabama before Saban, Georgia before Smart or Clemson before Swinney they were competitive but nowhere close to winning a NC. JMHO
 
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GrimReaper

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I've been saying this for ever and ever, making the playoffs or winning a National Championship goes far beyond a head coach. The entire institution "must" buy into that journey. Look at Alabama before Saban, Georgia before Smart or Clemson before Swinney they were competitive but nowhere close to winning a NC. JMHO
Bama, UGa, and Clempson were "bought in" to providing the resources to win a national championship before they hired the coaches you named. There are also any number of other schools that have the same commitment, they just don't have the coaches......yet.
 
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In order to win football games you have to make plays. After our game on Saturday, I watched the Tennessee/Alabama game. Then later, I watched a recording of our game. And what stood out to me was that Bama made plays. A key block here, a good cut by the running back, a hitch in a pass route etc etc. I can't explain it. In our game I didn't see any of this. We whiffed on blocks, the running backs made the wrong cuts, wide outs couldn't shrug coverages etc. Now, is that due to coaching or the talent. For me, I believe the "it" factor in football are the players' instincts. The game us too fast to be able to think everything through. The better players have the better instincts for the game. If you don't know what I'm referring to, watch a highlight video of the great Barry Sanders. Instinctively one of the best ever. Guys like Sanders just Instinctively know when to cut, where to run, know the angles. On Saturday, for the most part, our guys didn't do this. We have good athletes, some outstanding athletes. But do we have guys with good instincts for the game?

When Singleton had those back-to-back runs of 10+ yards then they went pass happy was a tell to me. Run Singleton until they stop him. The chances the defense can adjust on the fly are much lower than having to turn the ball over and giving the defensive coaches time to make the adjustments with the players on the sidelines.
 
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I'm guessing you are being TIC - or maybe I misread the post.

Michigan has just completed back to back years where they:
Beat BOTH OSU and PSU
Won the B10 Title
and went to the 4-team tourney.


Over the last 10 years:
PSU has beaten both OSU and UM in the same season 0 times in 10 tries (but lost to both 5 times, 6 if they don't beat UM this year)
Won one B10 title
and never went to the tourney.
We aren’t getting over the hump until there’s national title commitment to both the program/facilities and NIL.
 

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Inside the box some PSU fans think or basically pretend he is awful. Other schools see a coach who consistently puts team in the top 10. So yes a ton of schools would love to have him. FSU and USC were two that approached him in years past. I"m sure there were others too.....but some fans are emotional twits after a loss and some are in life in general. Watch any site after a loss and their coach is a moron. OSU fans are already sending whispers about Day due to his losses to UM. UM fans wanted Harbaugh gone just 2 years ago. Some fans are just idiots and we have to hear them unfortunately.

Emotional twits not ‘after a loss’ - after many, many years worth. Carry on…
 

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I like Coach, he's a great recruiter, an outstanding representative for PSU, he knows where the problems are, fans or the press don't have to tell him.

The only input i have as an older fan is this, Michigan was really bad but somehow righted the ship, i don't know what they did , but they are good across the board in all areas especially on the O- Line. I know the portal helped them significantly, especially at QB. Same with OSU, getting Fields in. Our problem is WR, we need big WR's from big schools .

When it's college or pro you have to copy what's working at other institutions.
Good post. The difference between PSU and OSU was that the latter had difference making QBs in Fields and Stroud. Thought Allar could change that circumstance (and perhaps still might) but he was not good on Saturday. The difference on Saturday was OSU had Harrison (who Franklin recruited hard) and Penn State did not.
 
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