How can anyone still support Fraud Franklin?

Bvillebaron

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Name them.
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Every team in the Big Ten outside of OSU and Michigan for starters
CJF isn’t a fraud. Great guy, good recruiter, very good evaluator of talent, excellent rep for the school. He just isn’t a top 5 coach and he can’t assemble a complete staff. Mark Richt. No shame in it, but ten years is enough.
Then you can fire him right after you are splinted AD.
 

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The who would you replace him with” is such a 🐂💩argument. Nobody is irreplaceable and it’s sad to see PSU fans be so insecure.

The schools that would grab Franklin, as you say, would want him so the can shake down their fans for money and promises, not for realistic championship potential. The schools consistently ranked higher than Penn State wouldn’t hire him today.
Only. BS argument to clueless clowns. Fixed it for you.
 

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In order to win football games you have to make plays. After our game on Saturday, I watched the Tennessee/Alabama game. Then later, I watched a recording of our game. And what stood out to me was that Bama made plays. A key block here, a good cut by the running back, a hitch in a pass route etc etc. I can't explain it. In our game I didn't see any of this. We whiffed on blocks, the running backs made the wrong cuts, wide outs couldn't shrug coverages etc. Now, is that due to coaching or the talent. For me, I believe the "it" factor in football are the players' instincts. The game us too fast to be able to think everything through. The better players have the better instincts for the game. If you don't know what I'm referring to, watch a highlight video of the great Barry Sanders. Instinctively one of the best ever. Guys like Sanders just Instinctively know when to cut, where to run, know the angles. On Saturday, for the most part, our guys didn't do this. We have good athletes, some outstanding athletes. But do we have guys with good instincts for the game?
These are the little things the little details I mentioned above that the coaching staff has to instill in their players, demand from their players. You can only get so far on instinct. You must know the game and the fundamentals as a player and its the coaches job to help or coach the player into that. The instincts will come if the players practice it over and over. 99% of the time when the game is moving that fast you don't have time to think(or rely on instinct) but if you were prepared properly through practice and repetition those things will come to the player automatically or instinctively in game action. I think we are saying the same thing, most players don't have an automatic instinct, they need to be presented with the situation and how to handle it when they see it in game conditions.
 

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Harbaugh agreed to cut his salary and make significant staff changes to get to the next level. Penn State doesn’t have that luxury thanks to Sandy.
Harbaugh was also suspended for improper recruiting and one of his top aids for cheating. I ain’t signing up for that.
 
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You keep falling back on the same defense every time. That's pretty telling. As much as you want to dismiss people and their "message board cliches" you pretty clearly have accepted 10-2 as Franklin's ceiling. And hey man, that's cool. If you're fine with losing to every Top 10 team Penn State plays as long as the program has "good kids", keeps a grad rate above 90%, and avoids major scandal than you're going to be happy.

When the playoff expands to 12, you'll get a handful of playoff appearances and maybe even a win or two. But you'll fan back on the same thing I've been hearing for 20 years when they don't win anything of significance.
Which is why he has won 11 games I guess
 

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I'm guessing you are being TIC - or maybe I misread the post.

Michigan has just completed back to back years where they:
Beat BOTH OSU and PSU
Won the B10 Title
and went to the 4-team tourney.


Over the last 10 years:
PSU has beaten both OSU and UM in the same season 0 times in 10 tries (but lost to both 5 times, 6 if they don't beat UM this year)
Won one B10 title
and never went to the tourney.
And lost 6 straight bowl games. I missed that in your post somehow.
Bama, UGa, and Clempson were "bought in" to providing the resources to win a national championship before they hired the coaches you named. There are also any number of other schools that have the same commitment, they just don't have the coaches......yet.
Well you know the old SEC saying if you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying.
 

Bvillebaron

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When Singleton had those back-to-back runs of 10+ yards then they went pass happy was a tell to me. Run Singleton until they stop him. The chances the defense can adjust on the fly are much lower than having to turn the ball over and giving the defensive coaches time to make the adjustments with the players on the sidelines.
Agreed.
I’d do Lincoln James straight up right this second
Yeah because Lincoln had won so much LOL
 

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Agreed.

Yeah because Lincoln had won so much LOL
Wut?
Riley coached Oklahoma for five seasons, leading the Sooners to three College Football Playoff appearances. He left the Sooners for USC the day after they lost to rival Oklahoma State in November 2021.
 

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These are the little things the little details I mentioned above that the coaching staff has to instill in their players, demand from their players. You can only get so far on instinct. You must know the game and the fundamentals as a player and its the coaches job to help or coach the player into that. The instincts will come if the players practice it over and over. 99% of the time when the game is moving that fast you don't have time to think(or rely on instinct) but if you were prepared properly through practice and repetition those things will come to the player automatically or instinctively in game action. I think we are saying the same thing, most players don't have an automatic instinct, they need to be presented with the situation and how to handle it when they see it in game conditions.
I agree. I believe we are conveying the same thing. Sometimes I wonder if Franklin approaches his preparation at the business level required to win big games. We certainly know that Kirby Smart, Nick Saban and Ryan Day are ALL business with their approach to preparation.
 

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Correct as we only are allowed to count 2 games now I think....gotcha. Nothing else counts as that is the drum beat....roger that.

sam winchester yawn GIF

It's really just as simple as you are happy with how things are and have been for some time, or aren't. It's fine either way, but this shouting down fans who think we can do better is as tired as your gif. The other games 'matter' if you think beating bad teams regularly is something to beat your chest about. All this under the very well known umbrella of 'he's not going anywhere anytime soon' because of his ridiculous contract. If our goal is to be 'mid' year in, year out (and there are several articles in The Athletic by respected football writers asking if that is acceptable to Penn State fans) then sure, no complaints. All the other schools hiring and firing coaches are at least trying to get better. Sometimes it works - sometimes not. Were this year four or five for Franklin, I think most still are optimistic for the future. But, we're in that future and everything is different (especially the scapegoat coaches he fires when things go bad) except the highest paid public employee in Pennsylvania.
 

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It's really just as simple as you are happy with how things are and have been for some time, or aren't. It's fine either way, but this shouting down fans who think we can do better is as tired as your gif. The other games 'matter' if you think beating bad teams regularly is something to beat your chest about. All this under the very well known umbrella of 'he's not going anywhere anytime soon' because of his ridiculous contract. If our goal is to be 'mid' year in, year out (and there are several articles in The Athletic by respected football writers asking if that is acceptable to Penn State fans) then sure, no complaints. All the other schools hiring and firing coaches are at least trying to get better. Sometimes it works - sometimes not. Were this year four or five for Franklin, I think most still are optimistic for the future. But, we're in that future and everything is different (especially the scapegoat coaches he fires when things go bad) except the highest paid public employee in Pennsylvania.
No it's not really just that simple. Everyone here wants to win those games FWIW...everyone. So now even changing assitant coaches out is a bad thing, ok then.
 

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Not a huge Finebaum fan but I think he nails it here:

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“I mean he’s in that gray area where he’s got a good program, 10-win program at Penn State,” Finebaum said. “Is it enough? And I don’t think many Penn State fans really believe it is. Not suggesting anything beyond that, because what do you do? We’re talking about a guy that can’t win 11, but that’s really where that program is.”.... “I don’t know. He just doesn’t inspire much, to me. Seems like he’s always belly-aching, always making excuses. I don’t know what the future looks like. He’s passed on some other jobs, they’ve passed on him. I think Penn State’s stuck with the guy.”
 

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No it's not really just that simple. Everyone here wants to win those games FWIW...everyone.

It's not whether or not we want to win them - agree, everyone does. It's whether you believe under this coach it is possible. I do not think it is possible. I also didn't think it was possible with Joe his last 15 years. And as a fan, I'd rather grind through a less predictable season in an effort to change things up with a new coach than get comfy losing to the best teams on our schedule every year which I believe will be the case if and until they take an absolute nosedive. New playoff format brings new hope, however Franklin isn't the only guy who can get PSU Top 15 every year.

Until his buyout (or he leaves) is realistic I continue to hope we win.
 
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Not a huge Finebaum fan but I think he nails it here:

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“I mean he’s in that gray area where he’s got a good program, 10-win program at Penn State,” Finebaum said. “Is it enough? And I don’t think many Penn State fans really believe it is. Not suggesting anything beyond that, because what do you do? We’re talking about a guy that can’t win 11, but that’s really where that program is.”.... “I don’t know. He just doesn’t inspire much, to me. Seems like he’s always belly-aching, always making excuses. I don’t know what the future looks like. He’s passed on some other jobs, they’ve passed on him. I think Penn State’s stuck with the guy.”


nailed it the league GIF by hero0fwar
 

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It's not whether or not we want to win them - agree, everyone does. It's whether you believe under this coach it is possible. I do not think it is possible. I also didn't think it was possible with Joe his last 15 years. And as a fan, I'd rather grind through a less predictable season in an effort to change things up with a new coach than get comfy losing to the best teams on our schedule every year which I believe will be the case if and until they take an absolute nosedive. New playoff format brings new hope, however Franklin isn't the only guy who can get PSU Top 15 every year.

Until his buyout (or he leaves) is realistic I continue to hope we win.
It will be interesting to see states top twelve slot this season. For example, if the top 4 get byes, us at say 11 would play 6. Whos 6 right now? We beat them at their place this December?
5
Huskies
Washington
(7-0)Pac-12
-
vs. Oregon W 36-33
Game Recap
1325 (0)
6
Sooners
Oklahoma
(7-0)Big 12
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@ Texas W 34-30
Game Recap
1267 (0)
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Longhorns
Texas
(6-1)Big 12
1
vs. Oklahoma L 30-34
Game Recap
1150 (0)
8
Ducks
Oregon
(6-1)Pac-12
1
@ Washington L 33-36
Game Recap
1133 (0)
9
Crimson Tide
Alabama
(7-1)Southeastern
2
vs. Arkansas W 24-21
Game Recap
1071 (0)

im guessing no, lose in first round
 
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Riley coached Oklahoma for five seasons, leading the Sooners to three College Football Playoff appearances. He left the Sooners for USC the day after they lost to rival Oklahoma State in November 2021.
Yo, who was going to challenge him while at OK? Sorry but there was no one in that conf. that was or is as good as Ohio St or Michy and a double YO, he took off after he found out they were moving to the SEC where his path to the playoffs became exponentially more difficult. Yo.
 

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I'm guessing you are being TIC - or maybe I misread the post.

Michigan has just completed back to back years where they:
Beat BOTH OSU and PSU
Won the B10 Title
and went to the 4-team tourney.


Over the last 10 years:
PSU has beaten both OSU and UM in the same season 0 times in 10 tries (but lost to both 5 times, 6 if they don't beat UM this year)
Won one B10 title
and never went to the tourney.
I thought all the hubbub was about a MNC? Isn’t that the end product ? Or is a loss in the Big championship game or playoffs acceptable? So we are back at square one. Only one team wins it all, the rest can be put into the ‘ losers’ category. So here is Michigan’s participation trophy, big deal.
 
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Yo, who was going to challenge him while at OK? Sorry but there was no one in that conf. that was or is as good as Ohio St or Michy and a double YO, he took off after he found out they were moving to the SEC where his path to the playoffs became exponentially more difficult. Yo.

This is true (and funny too because he went from the very winnable Pac 12 to the infinitely more difficult B1G) but the new playoff really gets rid of having to be conference champs. Just have to be in the Top 12.
 
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Yo, who was going to challenge him while at OK? Sorry but there was no one in that conf. that was or is as good as Ohio St or Michy and a double YO, he took off after he found out they were moving to the SEC where his path to the playoffs became exponentially more difficult. Yo.
You rag on OU s schedule yet celebrate GO STATE BEAT BLUE HENS go 9-2
works both ways or not. I don’t know lol
 

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I thought all the hubbub was about a MNC? Isn’t that the end product ? Or is a loss in the Big championship game or playoffs acceptable? So we are back at square one. Only one team wins it all, the rest can be put into the ‘ losers’ category. So here is Michigan’s participation trophy, big deal.
So far off. You finish final 4, you had a great season. That’s the (ricks) bar. We ain’t Ricky Bobby’s pop, are we?
 

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As for celebrating a Blue Hens win...I celebrate every win.

and in the most simple way possible, you just won the 9-2 Presidency. Congrats.
 
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Yo, who was going to challenge him while at OK? Sorry but there was no one in that conf. that was or is as good as Ohio St or Michy and a double YO, he took off after he found out they were moving to the SEC where his path to the playoffs became exponentially more difficult. Yo.
All you have to do is change coaches. Signed USC, UTex, Auburn, A&M, UF, Miami, Neb, UW, FSU. The flip side is UGa with Richt and during his final years the SEC east was not the B1G East. UF was way down as was Tenn. He also ran into the SEC West buzzsaw every year. It worked out in the end for them but I don’t consider it apples to apples. LSU lost 8 or 9 straight to BAMA prior to that loaded team that steamrolled everyone. Maybe Coach O can come and fix this?
 
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