How can anyone still support Fraud Franklin?

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Ditto. Certainly not an elite coach, but probably on Dabo level. Like Dabo, he needs two really good coordinators (starting to doubt Yurcich) and a top flight QB (starting to doubt Allar is it). Those factors made Dabo look way better than he actually is. Franklin does great with 4 star players, but he needs to get 1 to 3 5-star players per season to compete with OSU. In the past two games vs OSU, I thought one player essentially made the difference in the game (Harrison this year, Tuimalao last year).
Isn't "having good coordinators", and developing top-flight QBs part and parcel of the job responsibilities of the Head Coach?

Kinda' like saying Coach A is as good as Coach B - except that Coach A is better at the important parts of his job?
 

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Ditto. Certainly not an elite coach, but probably on Dabo level. Like Dabo, he needs two really good coordinators (starting to doubt Yurcich) and a top flight QB (starting to doubt Allar is it). Those factors made Dabo look way better than he actually is. Franklin does great with 4 star players, but he needs to get 1 to 3 5-star players per season to compete with OSU. In the past two games vs OSU, I thought one player essentially made the difference in the game (Harrison this year, Tuimalao last year).
Dabo is also refusing to dip into the portal too. Not sure why he's being stubborn there, but that is a part of the game and he needs to stay current.
 

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Isn't "having good coordinators", and developing top-flight QBs part and parcel of the job responsibilities of the Head Coach?

Kinda' like saying Coach A is as good as Coach B - except that Coach A is better at the important parts of his job?
For sure, but I'm saying that it's more important for guys like Franklin and Dabo. These guys have set a good team culture and are great recruiters, but maybe not as good with the X's and O's. Conversely, a guy like Sabin is good enough to do it with a revolving door of coordinators.
In terms of players, I'm not talking development (yes that's important), but luck that a player pans out and getting highly ranked guys. You could see that Deshaun Watson had IT as a freshman with no development. Same with Lawrence. Give me Watson on this team and I think we beat OSU.
 

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FFS putting PSU on this chart with the other bottom feeders is exactly the point. I give ZERO FVVCKS what minns record is v the big 2

FWIW:
Other Big Ten Schools all time winning percentages against the Big2:
Michigan State 35%
Illinois 27%
Iowa 25%
Purdue 25%
Wisconsin 24%
Minnesota 21%
But PSU, under CJF, comes in ahead of Indiana and Northwestern's all-time records.
 

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FFS putting PSU on this chart with the other bottom feeders is exactly the point. I give ZERO FVVCKS what minns record is v the big 2

FWIW:
Other Big Ten Schools all time winning percentages against the Big2:
Michigan State 35%
Illinois 27%
Iowa 25%
Purdue 25%
Wisconsin 24%
Minnesota 21%
But PSU, under CJF, comes in ahead of Indiana and Northwestern's all-time records.
Honest question. Who do you want to replace Franklin?
 
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It’s always good to beat Michigan. And we’ve had more success against them recently than OSU. We’re not necessarily ‘bad’ this year (and without Harrison we might have beat OSU) but there are foundational issues in the program, under this leadership, that continue to show including terrible in-game decisions, a revolving door of offensive coaches, failure to sign elite talent at key positions, and the befuddling loss to an inferior team.

But yes, I’ll be happy. Harbaugh is out for blood though.
You know what, a very well written explanation. Agree with just about everything. No sports fans are more knee jerking than Boston sports fans, but even I think the Fire Franklin crowd is unrealistic. I guess I was trying to point out that many people will be back on the bandwagon when we beat Michigan
 

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I haven’t read through this thread but I’ll just say this off of the title. Can I support Franklin? Sure, what difference does it make whether I support him or not? Can I have any confidence at all in him winning a big game? Absolutely not.
 

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You know what, a very well written explanation. Agree with just about everything. No sports fans are more knee jerking than Boston sports fans, but even I think the Fire Franklin crowd is unrealistic. I guess I was trying to point out that many people will be back on the bandwagon when we beat Michigan
I'd love for it to occur, but I thought out best chance at a 1 loss team was this weekend. UM is literally on cruise control destroying people and they are more physical than tOSU. Maybe being at home settles Drew down and they make some plays, but that is a tough out for sure.
 

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Isn't "having good coordinators", and developing top-flight QBs part and parcel of the job responsibilities of the Head Coach?

Kinda' like saying Coach A is as good as Coach B - except that Coach A is better at the important parts of his job?
Just come out and say he needs to be fired publicly then Barry.
 
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When do the pitchforks come out from within UM like they did with Urban at tOSU?
They ain't unless the NCAA puts some big time hurt on UM, which means they ain't.

Unlike Urbs, Harbaugh & Co didn't cover up for a wife-beater and didn't otherwise piss off some very powerful people
 
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Honest question. Who do you want to replace Franklin?
Yes. But I don’t want this to pick who replaces him
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look at the nfl. Who is doing good and who is doing bad. We need an offensive savant. Young crazy smart ZFG in regards to our legacy (NIL makes this so), only concerned with beating the big 2/6
bad:
Chicago coach. Bills coach. Pats coach. all d guys
good
jax coach, sf coach, dolphins coach. all O guys
 
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They ain't unless the NCAA puts some big time hurt on UM, which means they ain't.

Unlike Urbs, Harbaugh & Co didn't cover up for a wife-beater and didn't otherwise piss off some very powerful people
This isn't cheating on academics or with brown paper bags. It's actively cheating to gain a competitive advantage during games. The operation has been going on for three years and hey look, Michigan has turned the corner and been unstoppable for the past two years. And that's with the same recruits that we have. This will grow legs.
 

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To be clear, Paterno faced off against vs Buckeyes as an underdog in 12 games. In those contests, he only won once (‘05 home game). He never won as a road underdog.
 

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You might be right - very unusual for NCAA to act so fast on something during the season; they must have some serious sh*t on these guys…
Haven't been following along...anything recent come out? I just assumed it was already under the rug.
 

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Yes. But I don’t want this to pick who replaces him
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look at the nfl. Who is doing good and who is doing bad. We need an offensive savant. Young crazy smart ZFG in regards to our legacy (NIL makes this so), only concerned with beating the big 2/6
bad:
Chicago coach. Bills coach. Pats coach. all d guys
good
jax coach, sf coach, dolphins coach. all O guys
I honestly don't care if they keep James or not. But if people are going to call for his head, at least have a valid replacement to suggest. We still going Matt Rhule?
 
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FFS talking paterno is not helping. We need a fresh start
Neb, USC, FSU, Miami, Texas, UT, Aub, VT, UW, UCLA.......all agree, cycling through coaches is the best way to stay down for decades. Firing a top 10 coach who has improved the program from when he took over is always the best option.
 
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I honestly don't care if they keep James or not. But if people are going to call for his head, at least have a valid replacement to suggest. We still going Matt Rhule?
Bro ffs that’s not a simple search. That’s howie rosen level research. Super dumb demanding an answer like that from the rick retired construction etc
 

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I honestly don't care if they keep James or not. But if people are going to call for his head, at least have a valid replacement to suggest. We still going Matt Rhule?
F Matt Rhule more “let’s get a guy with state roots.“ We need to stop that. Look at the fly boys doing that very thing for 30 years
 

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You know what, a very well written explanation. Agree with just about everything. No sports fans are more knee jerking than Boston sports fans, but even I think the Fire Franklin crowd is unrealistic. I guess I was trying to point out that many people will be back on the bandwagon when we beat Michigan

What really stings is we’ve been circling this year as ‘the year’ - some even had PSU as a 1 seed in the CFP. OSU isn’t down, but they don’t have a Fields or Stroud back there at QB and they had three key offensive players out. Stars were aligned for a breakthrough, program defining win. When we won in 2016 we were big underdogs and CJF was still stockpiling talent. But, year was ultimately decided by losses to Pitt and Michigan (Rose Bowl game was awesome though). Unfortunately OSU recruits so well I think it’s going to be a while before we’re in this position again.

What’s weird is every PSU fan I know personally does not, and hasn’t for some time, like Franklin. It took me until the dreadful Illinois game (maybe the Kentucky bowl game before that) to see the ceiling for Franklin. He doesn’t change - he keeps firing and hiring people hoping something will work and it doesn’t. He still makes curious in-game decisions. And I wouldn’t be as wound up if not for his many extensions - his THIRD extension would be ending in 2025 - instead, we’re stuck with him until 2031.
 

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Haven't been following along...anything recent come out? I just assumed it was already under the rug.

The Athletic podcasters (Feldman and Manzel) say lots of fire to go with the smoke. Think Harbaugh may bail noting they have a good shot at the NC this year.
 
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What really stings is we’ve been circling this year as ‘the year’ - some even had PSU as a 1 seed in the CFP. OSU isn’t down, but they don’t have a Fields or Stroud back there at QB and they had three key offensive players out. Stars were aligned for a breakthrough, program defining win. When we won in 2016 we were big underdogs and CJF was still stockpiling talent. But, year was ultimately decided by losses to Pitt and Michigan (Rose Bowl game was awesome though). Unfortunately OSU recruits so well I think it’s going to be a while before we’re in this position again.

What’s weird is every PSU fan I know personally does not, and hasn’t for some time, like Franklin. It took me until the dreadful Illinois game (maybe the Kentucky bowl game before that) to see the ceiling for Franklin. He doesn’t change - he keeps firing and hiring people hoping something will work and it doesn’t. He still makes curious in-game decisions. And I wouldn’t be as wound up if not for his many extensions - his THIRD extension would be ending in 2025 - instead, we’re stuck with him until 2031.
In simple terms, it’s 3rd and 9, your martini is empty. Do you a. watch the failed attemp, then leave to refill b. Same but watch the punt too, then refill c. Walk to the bar and refill before they break the huddle.

when’s the last time you said WHAT A PLAY CALL ON THIRD AND LONG

did you hear colingsworth last night say when the dolphins need a first down and need to get tua back on point, they always run this play. The play in question was a wheel route back shoulder throw impossible to defend and easy to throw with a secondary route moving inside a few yards to clear underneath LB coverage in front of the receiver.
does JF do that? (No)
 

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In simple terms, it’s 3rd and 9, your martini is empty. Do you a. watch the failed attemp, then leave to refill b. Same but watch the punt too, then refill c. Walk to the bar and refill before they break the huddle.

when’s the last time you said WHAT A PLAY CALL ON THIRD AND LONG

What changed?

In his career as an FBS offensive coordinator, Yurcich's offenses have averaged 6.49 yards per play, which ranks first among OC's since 2013 and 14.03 yards per completion, which is first among Power Five OC's in that timeframe. Since 2013, Yurcich's offenses have scored 50 or more points 26 times and 40 or more points 51 times (50 percent of games coached), both of which are tops among FBS offensive coordinators since 2013. His teams average 61.5 touchdowns per year.[6]
 
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What changed?

In his career as an FBS offensive coordinator, Yurcich's offenses have averaged 6.49 yards per play, which ranks first among OC's since 2013 and 14.03 yards per completion, which is first among Power Five OC's in that timeframe. Since 2013, Yurcich's offenses have scored 50 or more points 26 times and 40 or more points 51 times (50 percent of games coached), both of which are tops among FBS offensive coordinators since 2013. His teams average 61.5 touchdowns per year.[6]
Again, because our league (all college football) is flush with sister mary poors, those stats don’t mean schit. In NFL, schit is hard every week. Stats matter
 

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Bro ffs that’s not a simple search. That’s howie rosen level research. Super dumb demanding an answer like that from the rick retired construction etc
Bro, I'll do your homework for you without Google. At least start with Kalen DeBoer. He was good at Fresno and been great at UW (especially ATS). He would be worth consideration, but I'd like to see him without Pennix first.
 
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Again, because our league (all college football) is flush with sister mary poors, those stats don’t mean schit. In NFL, schit is hard every week. Stats matter

He did most of that at the Penn State of the Big XII, Oklahoma State. They weren’t recruiting for schit either but still put up crazy numbers.
 
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