OK- So tell me who you're going to hire

marshall23

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
2,912
4,162
113
Hey I’m 4th generation Penn State, my avatar pic is my grandmother’s 1939 graduation day. I’ll never stop rooting either. But while our historical win % may be the same, our opportunities to win a title are not. You could believe Joe’s teams could beat anybody on any given Saturday because of coaching. You can’t believe Franklin can beat anyone when it matters most. The sample size is large enough to know that now. So of course I’ll cheer today and hope they win as much as any other day, but that doesn’t mean I also can’t accept the reality that this program has a definite ceiling with Franklin. And yes I’ll meaninglessly ***** about that, because I’m a fan. None of us are actually impacting anything, so whether we’re cheering or bitching, it’s all meaningless. I still enjoy it.
This program has a ceiling period.
 

Nitt1300

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
5,135
9,764
113
One of many of the same tone if you bothered to look. 'No one ever said that' he said so confidently...

Maybe don't think?
I guess I'm just not sufficiently obsessed with this argument to remember everything ever posted on the subject. Not sorry.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Classof09

Midnighter

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
9,839
15,676
113
I guess I'm just not sufficiently obsessed with this argument to remember everything ever posted on the subject. Not sorry.

Again with the poor, antagonistic tone. Sorry - have a great memory. Not sorry. And you are obsessed (you just won't admit it).
 
  • Like
Reactions: wbcbus

marshall23

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
2,912
4,162
113
Funny that you bring up agents. Tucker's is Neil Cornrich who renegotiated O'Brien's contract with PSU and gave him free exit to bolt to the NFL. Riley's is Trace Armstrong who is Franklin's former agent. Li'l Jimbo's is Jimmy Sexton, Franklin's current agent.
Speaking of a guy who got rich because he rubbed against Tom Brady.
 

NittanyBuff

Well-known member
Oct 30, 2021
819
845
93

Connorpozlee

Well-known member
Oct 29, 2021
2,307
4,375
113
I would love to beat them too. I was frosted. But I stayed away from here, took a deep breath and let emotions settle down. It's hard to deny they recruit better and it's not like PSU was favored. OSU is historically a better program. It's okay, reluctantly for a mature adult to admit it.
Being where PSU'S been is annoying. But I'm reserving outrage until I see Texas AM under performing. Franklin on average has his squad 7-15. I don't see evidence that "we deserve better."
Yeah, I agree. But I would have been frustrated if we lost last week in another close game where the team that got the bigger breaks one. But I (and I’m sure you as well) realized early on that we had no shot of scoring against that team. Score was close but u gas little hope of winning that one from early on. As I said after the game, it felt a lot like the Iowa 6-4 game to me.
 

wbcbus

Well-known member
Oct 8, 2021
1,276
2,596
113
We deserve better.

We FIRE. FRANKLIN. o_O .

Let the powers that be make the next hire. That‘s why they get paid the big bucks.

We deserve better.

WE. FIRE. FNG. o_O .

Let the powers that be make the next hire. That‘s why they get paid the big bucks.

We deserve better.


I don’t read everything on here, but I’ve never heard anyone say “we deserve better” except the Franklin Defense Corps. You all sure tickle yourselves by saying it over and over though (different than the brb way you tickle yourself).
 

PSU87

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
1,701
3,487
113
I don’t read everything on here, but I’ve never heard anyone say “we deserve better” except the Franklin Defense Corps. You all sure tickle yourselves by saying it over and over though (different than the brb way you tickle yourself).
In Bob's defense, along with "this is what we are up against", "be right back" and lattes and scones, he is saying it kinda tongue in cheek. The Franklin Defense Corp uses it as a mantra and doesn't realize how stupid they sound when they say it
 
  • Like
Reactions: Midnighter

marshall23

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
2,912
4,162
113
Yeah, I agree. But I would have been frustrated if we lost last week in another close game where the team that got the bigger breaks one. But I (and I’m sure you as well) realized early on that we had no shot of scoring against that team. Score was close but u gas little hope of winning that one from early on. As I said after the game, it felt a lot like the Iowa 6-4 game to me.
I'll always wonder what would have happened if Jacob's score would have stood .
 
  • Like
Reactions: Classof09

marshall23

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
2,912
4,162
113
I don’t read everything on here, but I’ve never heard anyone say “we deserve better” except the Franklin Defense Corps. You all sure tickle yourselves by saying it over and over though (different than the brb way you tickle yourself).
You label me (or us) as the Franklin defenders. I see it as a small oasis of sanity midst a sea of obsessed, butt hurt we deserve better fanboys.
 

marshall23

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
2,912
4,162
113
In Bob's defense, along with "this is what we are up against", "be right back" and lattes and scones, he is saying it kinda tongue in cheek. The Franklin Defense Corp uses it as a mantra and doesn't realize how stupid they sound when they say it
Fire Franklin. Now, do I no longer sound stupid?
 

marshall23

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
2,912
4,162
113
If that’s what you believe, I certainly understand why you’re so adamant in your support of Franklin. I sure hope that’s not the case though.
Again, I support the team. Coaches are part of the team. Coaching is important. But the mental midgets here act like the execution by the players is entirely controlled from the sidelines. Anyone who has ever played the game knows that is not the case.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Classof09

Ludd

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
1,652
2,160
113
I don’t read everything on here, but I’ve never heard anyone say “we deserve better” except the Franklin Defense Corps. You all sure tickle yourselves by saying it over and over though (different than the brb way you tickle yourself).
If you’re not smart enough to figure out that’s what these posts are ultimately saying, then no one can help you.
 

laKavosiey-st lion

Well-known member
Oct 30, 2021
8,932
6,327
113
Yes especially post Pellini Nebraska. How did that work out and they still haven’t recovered. Plus we have a 700 million plus stadium redo on tap. Yeah let’s change head coaches and go into a gopher hole somewhere with possible 6-7 loss seasons while a new staff gets established.
You think a bad hire can’t win v mass and delco? Still guaranteed 8-9 wins and Utah bowl.
 

Midnighter

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
9,839
15,676
113
You think a bad hire can’t win v mass and delco? Still guaranteed 8-9 wins and Utah bowl.

Exactly. The things that have been issues for Franklin forever are still issues - plays to the level of opponent, poor QB development, no offensive identity (and if it's gonna be 'explosive plays' you have to have explosive plays...), poor play on third downs (both sides of the ball), poor game/clock management, lack of recruiting difference makers on the OL, DL, and WR. The good news is with few exceptions, Penn State rarely gets blown out and plays the best teams on their schedule pretty tough. Bad news is they tend to lose close games to inferior opponents. Almost any HC can come in and beat most of our schedule, which is what Franklin does now. What we don't know is how someone new would recruit and how well they would do against Michigan and OSU.
 

laKavosiey-st lion

Well-known member
Oct 30, 2021
8,932
6,327
113
I was in Philly today hanging out with the fam (1 and gf flew in last nite) and casually watched state bumble up and down the field like neck punches in the face. Just put moms to bed, watching TONS of tivo football and the Os look down rite electric
guys flying all over, catching slants, converting 3rds, what we’re doing on O is akin to discovering fire, then getting rain, and figuring out fire a year later. F ing brutal
remember, nobody knew the dolphins coach 12 months ago, these young O geniouses are out there, go get one.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Midnighter

BW Lion

Well-known member
Oct 14, 2021
3,103
2,436
113
Coaching is important. But the mental midgets here act like the execution by the players is entirely controlled from the sidelines. Anyone who has ever played the game knows that is not the case.
Execution (or non-execution in PSU's case) on the field on Saturdays is a direct result of what happens on the practice field Monday - Friday under the tutelage of coaches.

You weren't a very good coach, were you?
 
  • Like
Reactions: wbcbus

PSU87

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
1,701
3,487
113
Again, I support the team. Coaches are part of the team. Coaching is important. But the mental midgets here act like the execution by the players is entirely controlled from the sidelines. Anyone who has ever played the game knows that is not the case.
As a high school coach I'll give you that. You have a pittance for paid staff. You are limited to the players who live within your district. I respect and understand the limits you were under as a HS coach.

Meanwhile, out in the real world....

You want to be the leader? You want to collect the bigger paycheck? Then you are responsible for it. All of it.

I remember one of my staff asking me once why I got paid more than him when he was doing the actual work. I told him because you are only responsible for your screwups. I'm responsible for the screwups of all 20 of you. The VP of Engineering didn't care that you screwed up that analysis. It is my job to mentor you to make sure that analysis gets done properly. And if the 20 of you screw up enough, I'm getting fired despite having made none of those mistakes myself.

Sorry, but that's Franklin. WR didn't make a catch? Boo freakin hoo. LT missed a block? Cry me a river. You recruited them. You hired the coordinators and position coaches to put those kids in a position to win.

You want the CEO money? You want the CEO title? Then you're responsible for the whole freakin thing.
 

Classof09

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
957
1,981
93
As a high school coach I'll give you that. You have a pittance for paid staff. You are limited to the players who live within your district. I respect and understand the limits you were under as a HS coach.

Meanwhile, out in the real world....

You want to be the leader? You want to collect the bigger paycheck? Then you are responsible for it. All of it.

I remember one of my staff asking me once why I got paid more than him when he was doing the actual work. I told him because you are only responsible for your screwups. I'm responsible for the screwups of all 20 of you. The VP of Engineering didn't care that you screwed up that analysis. It is my job to mentor you to make sure that analysis gets done properly. And if the 20 of you screw up enough, I'm getting fired despite having made none of those mistakes myself.

Sorry, but that's Franklin. WR didn't make a catch? Boo freakin hoo. LT missed a block? Cry me a river. You recruited them. You hired the coordinators and position coaches to put those kids in a position to win.

You want the CEO money? You want the CEO title? Then you're responsible for the whole freakin thing.
 

Attachments

  • IMG_1707.jpeg
    IMG_1707.jpeg
    22.6 KB · Views: 9

marshall23

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
2,912
4,162
113
As a high school coach I'll give you that. You have a pittance for paid staff. You are limited to the players who live within your district. I respect and understand the limits you were under as a HS coach.

Meanwhile, out in the real world....

You want to be the leader? You want to collect the bigger paycheck? Then you are responsible for it. All of it.

I remember one of my staff asking me once why I got paid more than him when he was doing the actual work. I told him because you are only responsible for your screwups. I'm responsible for the screwups of all 20 of you. The VP of Engineering didn't care that you screwed up that analysis. It is my job to mentor you to make sure that analysis gets done properly. And if the 20 of you screw up enough, I'm getting fired despite having made none of those mistakes myself.

Sorry, but that's Franklin. WR didn't make a catch? Boo freakin hoo. LT missed a block? Cry me a river. You recruited them. You hired the coordinators and position coaches to put those kids in a position to win.

You want the CEO money? You want the CEO title? Then you're responsible for the whole freakin thing.
Franklin has the money. It makes absolutely no difference what you or anyone here thinks. The only people that count gave him a contract that has 8 more years on it....and it is 💯 percent guaranteed money. You don't like him? Oh well.
 

marshall23

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
2,912
4,162
113
Execution (or non-execution in PSU's case) on the field on Saturdays is a direct result of what happens on the practice field Monday - Friday under the tutelage of coaches.

You weren't a very good coach, were you?
Well put it this way...you theorize and fantasize about coaching. Others do or have done it. But I can't help but ask...how does it feel to be undefeated playing with yourself?
 

laKavosiey-st lion

Well-known member
Oct 30, 2021
8,932
6,327
113
Well put it this way...you theorize and fantasize about coaching. Others do or have done it. But I can't help but ask...how does it feel to be undefeated playing with yourself?
I can’t believe that you, as a former coach, dont find fault with Franklin.
 

MacNit2.0

Member
Sep 5, 2023
245
152
43
Were they really? I think his agent etc.. did some nice work in getting Sandy to think some of these teams were more interested in him than they really were, especially on the heels of the covid yr and the following one. He certainly wasn't trending in the right direction at that time.
Sandy was a grotesque incompetent. And PSU continues to pay a heavy price.
 

MacNit2.0

Member
Sep 5, 2023
245
152
43
Not forever, but probably for the rest of my natural life. Went to my 1st PSU game 1966. For me it's been a great experience. Raised my sons to love the Nittany Lions, now my little granddaughter is dressed in PSU gear. I care way too much about a team that I only live thru vicariously. My high school coach was on Joe's staff for many years and my college coach played there. For better or worse, I'll always follow PSU football. I try to be realistic. Franklin's win % mirrors PSU all time win %.
PSU is an 8 -15 type program with a year here and there + or-. I understand hope springs eternal...but it shouldn't make accepting reality difficult.
From 1950-2000 PSU was CFB’s documented top team (record vs SOS). Even after the dark years, a few very solid years have been sprinkled in.

The current regime continues to underachieve and it was on glaring display again yet today.

I guess it could have been worse. But it sure seems like regression from 2016. With almost zero wins against teams equally or more talented. And quite a few losses to lesser (or much lesser) teams.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Midnighter

marshall23

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
2,912
4,162
113
I can’t believe that you, as a former coach, dont find fault with Franklin.
There's an old saying among coaches..."it depends who has the chalk last " ie..you diagram a play and I'll diagram a defense to stop it. Coaching is a sort of chess match and you simply cannot win every snap. Watching the game I certainly have opinions about a variety of decisions. Some, I question. But very few. Having done the job....even just at the high school level, gives me perspective and respect for how difficult a D1 job is. Who am I to criticize a guy who is one of the top 10 or 15 college football coaches in the nation? I like the way he runs the program.I respect him. You can please some of your fans most of the time and most of your fans some of the time. But a coach will never please all of his team's fans. So you simply stick with your philosophy and principles. I truly come here because after decades of having to deal with fans and parents in a professional manner...I can poke, prod and agitate them for a change. It amuses me how seriously some take their fandom.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Monty2007

MacNit2.0

Member
Sep 5, 2023
245
152
43
On the grand scale I agree with you. I just hate the idea that beating Ohio State will have to be a fluke because we just can’t play with them and are always out coached against them. I didn’t mind it so much when it was Urban Meyer because I think he is in the handful of greatest college coaches of all time. I don’t like it at all when it’s Ryan Day.
That said, I felt similarly in regards to Joe against Kirk Ferentz and Lloyd Carr. Drove me crazy that those guys would know exactly what to expect from Penn State and we would just play right into their hands.
I don’t necessarily want to fire Franklin. I’ve just lowered my expectations and kind of sadly, I’m alright with that.
It does not happen to be that way. But Sandy has stuck PSU with a documented underachiever.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BW Lion

MacNit2.0

Member
Sep 5, 2023
245
152
43
Hey I’m 4th generation Penn State, my avatar pic is my grandmother’s 1939 graduation day. I’ll never stop rooting either. But while our historical win % may be the same, our opportunities to win a title are not. You could believe Joe’s teams could beat anybody on any given Saturday because of coaching. You can’t believe Franklin can beat anyone when it matters most. The sample size is large enough to know that now. So of course I’ll cheer today and hope they win as much as any other day, but that doesn’t mean I also can’t accept the reality that this program has a definite ceiling with Franklin. And yes I’ll meaninglessly ***** about that, because I’m a fan. None of us are actually impacting anything, so whether we’re cheering or bitching, it’s all meaningless. I still enjoy it.
It’s not a matter of believing. Franklin has simply not done it. He benefits from a crazy easy schedule vs what Paterno dealt with…
 

BW Lion

Well-known member
Oct 14, 2021
3,103
2,436
113
There's an old saying among coaches..."it depends who has the chalk last " ie..you diagram a play and I'll diagram a defense to stop it. Coaching is a sort of chess match and you simply cannot win every snap. Watching the game I certainly have opinions about a variety of decisions. Some, I question. But very few. Having done the job....even just at the high school level, gives me perspective and respect for how difficult a D1 job is. Who am I to criticize a guy who is one of the top 10 or 15 college football coaches in the nation? I like the way he runs the program.I respect him. You can please some of your fans most of the time and most of your fans some of the time. But a coach will never please all of his team's fans. So you simply stick with your philosophy and principles. I truly come here because after decades of having to deal with fans and parents in a professional manner...I can poke, prod and agitate them for a change. It amuses me how seriously some take their fandom.
On Ignore you go…old man.
 

marshall23

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
2,912
4,162
113
From 1950-2000 PSU was CFB’s documented top team (record vs SOS). Even after the dark years, a few very solid years have been sprinkled in.

The current regime continues to underachieve and it was on glaring display again yet today.

I guess it could have been worse. But it sure seems like regression from 2016. With almost zero wins against teams equally or more talented. And quite a few losses to lesser (or much lesser) teams.
You mean like North Carolina losing to Virginia or Oklahoma to Kansas...how about Miami to GT? I hate when that happens.
 
Get unlimited access today.

Pick the right plan for you.

Already a member? Login