The only reason I mentioned him is because he’ll come cheap for the first 4 to 5 years. That means the Lions would be able to hire top shelf O & D Coordinators, as well as assistants. I think we can all agree he’s a better defensive coach than Franklin and would probably take on that role as well HC/DC. I’m a firm believer that Penn State sells itself so the million dollar question is will he be able to lure 5* athletes away from OSU and Michigan? If you’re worried about high character kids, stop worrying because you will not find anyone that’s more anal than Greg Schiano about that stuff, even to the point of getting reports from tutors.
OK- So tell me who you're going to hire
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He's a little bit long in the tooth. He isn't going to recruit as well as Franklin.......and let's be honest this was a fun thread but JF isn't even on a warm seat. This is just frustrated folks venting. If JF is going away and they end up with a recycled PSU coach to appease the older generations....the program is sunk. Respect the past, but some folks really do need to move forward. Character, grad rates, and all of the Camelot terms are pretty much dead. It's truly a semi-pro league with the bonus for those who want their degree and work for it. You move on from a coach that is clearly entrenched in the top 10 with how the playoffs are going to be expanded.....you sure as hell better bring the heat with a hire.
The Gorilla will compete. He does more with less. Also has been a head coach in NFL. I respectfully disagree.
Then no better than a man with NFL HC experience and capability of doing more with less.
And for all the supposed recruiting prowess of Franklin, it is not sufficient, inferior to past, and lacking in areas key for the present (WRs, DTs).
Don’t kid yourself: The Letterman are not happy with current state. If it were not Sandy’s colossal incompetence, the seat would be hot…very hot.
Kyle W. was an interesting pick and has kind of been on my radar anyway. His offense would fit right in with the B1G in the past. Not sure what he would do or could do with a good QB and WR's. Sort of like MY and TE's.
. But I don't think you'll get him out of Utah.And yes you are 100% correct its pure fiction and fantasy.
There is no one out there that anyone of you would be happy with. That first lose to OSU by the next coach and you would want them fired.
Think about this if the Jacob's fumble return is not wiped out by the holding call that game has a very good possible different outcome.
CJF has had how many one score loses to OSU ? It's not only a game of inches but also one play away.
Think about this if the Jacob's fumble return is not wiped out by the holding call that game has a very good possible different outcome.
CJF has had how many one score loses to OSU ? It's not only a game of inches but also one play away.
Sure it would. LOL, so "all" of the lettermen are hot with JF or is it the ones that played in the 80's and are still sore a PSU man wasn't selected. The seat wasn't hot, isn't hot, and won't be unless a total collapse occurs. You can dream about it I guess, but call me out when he is coaching next year elsewhere.
At some point always losing those 1 score games has to tell you something though, right? It’s also unfair to say any complaining fans would have the pitchforks out for 1 loss with the next coach. This isn’t about 1 loss for Franklin. It’s a decade of can’t beat fellow top teams.
Regardless, there’s a difference between discussing Franklin’s ceiling, and genuinely thinking we’re going to replace him. I’m doing the former, but I’m fully aware the latter isn’t happening.
Neither of those coaches are as good as James. You’re either not very bright or just trolling.
I can't believe Matt R's name hasn't been mentioned yet or Al Golden.
Would Definitley give Rhule a shot. I think he’s doomed in Nebraska but so is everyone. He’s a smart guy and would do well IMO.
Those are good questions.
My read is the majority of the Letterman…not sure of demographics. And yes, the 70s/80s folks are unhappy about a lot of issues…and head coach selection was defintely one of them.
It is a shame that we are shackled with Sandy’s debacle. The seat would be white hot and accountability (which is missing) would be prevalent.
Hopeful that Krafty can find a way…there is a will on his part!
Both were chased for NFL jobs. Both have done more with less in NCAA.
Perhaps you know more than NFL agMa and Owners?
Or you are trolling or …?
White hot after an 11-2 season and a Rose Bowl win. 6-1, 10th in the country....yeah white hot. 4 11 win seasons in 7 years. Sorry man.....not buying anything you are saying for a second. The long contract was dumb and they are dumb for pro atheletes and coaches, but there is literally no smoke around anything you are saying. I'm not even entertaining this really anymore...run with it.
I know that the GMs that made those awful hires aren’t with Carolina and TB any longer.
Buffy goes through assistants like someone with chronic diarrhea goes through toilet paper. What is he on, Ciarrocca3.0?
I wonder how many other teams currently in the top ten have a 6 page thread on one of their message boards about firing their coach.
Probably the same number that have a coach that is 3-16 against fellow top 10 teams (0-10 on the road), 4-15 against their two biggest rivals, and 13-23 against all ranked teams.
So basically, we’re trying un-f*ck us. How many millions will that take? Good luck with that.
People forget Franklin was ‘hot’ because he had TWO winning seasons at an SEC bottom dweller (all while most of his top opponents were down/struggling). Exactly one win over a ranked opponent (#15 Georgia - lost to the rest). Not like we hired Pete Carroll away from USC. Todays equivalent would be hiring Duke’s coach. SMFH.
Some folks post numbers against top 10 teams and they have a smoking gun.....until it's pointed out most records against the top 5 or 10 aren't exactly shining, but they still bust it out every year like they discovered fire. SSDY, but it's going to change....just you see.
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Okay, current top 10 coaches against other top 10 teams:
Kalen DeBoer - 100% (granted, only 2-0, but he is also 7-1 against ranked teams generally)
Brent Venables - 100% (only 1-0, also 3-1 against ranked teams generally)
Ryan Day - 75%
Nick Saban - 66%
Kirby Smart - 66%
Dan Lanning - 50% (only 2-2, also 4-4 against all ranked opponents)
Mike Norvell - 40%
Steve Sarkisian - 32%
Jim Harbaugh - 30%
James Franklin - 19%
What were you wanting to point out again?
Never asked you to entertain. I do agree the contract will be our albatross.
My sources are first hand. And Krafty is watching…his legacy will be defined accordingly.
Petey would fit this profile too…he did not turn out so awful.
Franklin getting any NFL interviews?
I thought you were not entertaining?
Maybe you can start a drive to extrnd Franklin’s contract another 10 years?
Mark Stoops
Lane Kiffin
Sonny Dykes
Lance Leipold
Kalen DeBoer
Willie Fritz
Mike Elko
Jeff Brohm
Matt Rhule
Jamey Chadwell
Dan Lanning
I think they could sign any of them, if Franklin goes somewhere with more money than common sense. Texas A&M, Florida, or South Carolina come to mind.
Lane Kiffin
Sonny Dykes
Lance Leipold
Kalen DeBoer
Willie Fritz
Mike Elko
Jeff Brohm
Matt Rhule
Jamey Chadwell
Dan Lanning
I think they could sign any of them, if Franklin goes somewhere with more money than common sense. Texas A&M, Florida, or South Carolina come to mind.
What has Matt Rhule accomplished that Franklin has not?
He won an AAC title at Temple. JF won a B10 title.
Improved Baylor from 1 win team to 11-3. JF turned around a lesser team in Vandy and a PSU team off harsh sanctions. Oh, and in his best season at Baylor, Rhule lost to OU twice.
I guess you can credit Rhule for getting to the NFL, which was a fail for him.
DeBoer - probably, but let's see what he does when Pennix is gone.
Elko, maybe but the jury is still out.
Leipold, definitely worth consideration.
Chadwell is a wild card to me.
No thanks to the rest (Brohm maybe but probably not leaving Louisville any time soon).
I'm not entertaining that this is occuring or isn't just butthurt fans still venting. I also stated I'm not a fan of long contracts too, but it was pointed out elsewhere to me that you were FOS and I trust those folks. Have a good one.
Five prospects and thats without scouting assistants at winners, head coaches at weak programs, and NFL guys. So much for the "Who would you hire?" excuse. Thh big impediment is $$$. The contract he has protects him. You can only hope someone comes along who thinks he is an underappreciated genius. I wont hold my breath.
That the records against higher ranked opponents dip. You compare coaches in years 1-2 like that is an apples to apples comparison. I'll bet Frankin's Vandy numbers are in there too probably. Not a single name on that list is coming to PSU....so great job. Not to mention again....PSU's coach isn't going anywhere, but you keep pretending in your head that this will occur like MacNit. Fantasy land is running wild again.
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