Either way, replacing Franklin is not as clear cut as a lot of people believe. Yes, money matters. Also, while many believe that another coach could waltz in and turn PSU into an immediate contender, there is also considerable risk that PSU turns into Nebraska. If they replace him, they better be damn sure they are upgrading.
Not the Nebraska excuse again! Georgia and LSU hired new coaches since Franklin was hired and won championships. Oklahoma, Washington, TCU, Michigan and tOSU hired new coaches since Franklin was hired and went to the CFP. Oregon, USC, Notre Dame, LSU, Washington, Tennessee, Texas, Oregon State, Ole Miss, Louisville, Duke, UCLA and even James Madison have hired coaches since Franklin was hired and are rated in the current top 25. Anyone using the Nebraska excuse shows they are a fool and ignorant of current history.
Exactly.....and how many schools fire or force a coach that just went 11-2 with a Rose Bowl win out the door? You tell me Smart is coming tomorrow...great, awesome, sign me up, but that isn't happening. Nor is Saban, Day, or Dabo. People talk about Richt being pushed out, but his final 7 years were not as good as JF's last 7. JF had four 11 win seasons. Richt had one in his final 7 years. JF has had 4 NYD6 bowls in his last 7 years....Richt had none. They were going backwards from early on in his UGa career in a WEAKER SEC east at the time. PSU really isn't at that point currently and looks to be stable currently. How awful of a time to be a PSU fan I guess.
No need for insults. We can have a conversation like adults.
The statement stands because it was not aimed at you alone. It is an excuse for standing pat. What about Tulane, Washington, Oregon, Louisville, Oklahoma, Oregon State, Texas, Duke and James Madison? LSU hired new and won it all with Ogeron and then dumped him. Fear of change that freezes initiative leads to failure.
USC has been chasing that next great coach since Pete left. Texas since Mack Brown left. Auburn fired a coach that took them to a MNC....it's worked out great there. UF and Miami have so much talent in their state, but change coaches every 3-4 years now if not sooner. FSU has been a revolving door post Jimbo, but seem better now. We'll see if it lasts, but again it's year 2. Neb has been a train wreck post Osbourne. OU had a dip last year, but we'll see what shakes out when they don't play big 12 defenses weekly starting next year......expect that program to take a step back. UT has been awful up until last year post Fulmer.
11-21. His second year was worse than his first and he alienated his entire locker room. Just the kind of guy you want at the helm of your program....if you want to run it into the ground.
No coach is beyond reproach. They all have flaws and all can screw up. No coaches are getting fired for his current record nor his record last year. We all want him to take that next step....well not all (not saying you want him to fail, but there are some) as some would rather him fall on his face because they are worried about being right or something like that. This discussion is hysterical. 11-2 Rose Bowl win...6-1 with a loss on the road to a top 3 team on the road.....and we need a new HC? Really....you think I'm the one off here? You said he isn't going anywhere, but you sure want to keep arguing for it to occur....ok...you can continue that on your own.
I'm glad that I don't have to be the one making this decision because it is a difficult dilemma. I understand arguments from both sides. I will say, for those that think upgrading from Franklin is a guarantee, I say be careful what you wish for. It's far from a slam dunk.
Winning at Temple in the AAC is no more impressive than what Franklin did at Vandy in the SEC. Al Golden also won at Temple and that did not portend to future success. Not saying Rhule isn't a good coach, just not as good as everyone thinks.
So wouldn't that make Rhule a lateral move? Recall that my original point was that Matt Rhule hasn't accomplished anything that Franklin has not. Didn't say he was worse or better.
No need to even play this game because we are stuck with JF for yrs to come and I'm sure there will be highs and lows. Do I think he ever reaches the mountain top, doubtful, but we all can dream.
Only way they are getting rid of him and who is trying to pry him away?
If he succeeds there, that will raise some eyebrows for sure. I’m not sold on him, but I think he’s ok. IMO if he can win 8 a year there he’s done a good job. It’s just hard to get kids there IMO.
It's not my standard. The standard is competing with OSU and UM for a playoff spot, right? I'm not necessarily arguing against replacing Franklin - just not with a lateral move like Matt Rhule. No thanks.
If Rhule makes the playoffs with Nebraska, I will gladly and publicly admit that "Midnight knows more about football coaches than me". You can hold me to that
You are entitled to your opinion.
Did Richt have any losing seasons?'l
I don’t think everyone is arguing that - I certainly am not.
Most fans of our peer institutions think Franklin is a laughably bad game day coach and overrated recruiter.
Well Said. Frankly I would not use TN, TX and FSU as proof to getting rid of your HC is a good idea.
Nobody now that he is locked up and has a high buyout, but every year prior he had suitors.....FSU, USC....etc. The fact that some think nobody would want him is pretty crazy, but then again people make things up like the letter-men all want him gone as does Kraft.
