Who are "WE"?
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School academics have plummeted. Team academic performance now near bottom of Big10.
But just like when we play a decent team, we talk a good game.
But oh those pesky results!
Sad.
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You are We, and I hope you'll reconsider your position on giving and coming in for games.
My family has attended Penn State for over 100 years. I was born into it, and will always take pride in it. What "We" are isn't about any individual or group. It's about honesty, integrity, doing what is right in the face of adversity. I naively like to think that's who "We Are" and why we're proud. Some are upset about what was done to Paterno, and I'm with them. But there are hundreds of thousands of us embodying what I described, and I'm certainly not about to let some small group comprising the 2011 BOT dictate how I should feel about or support the school my family attended since before they were born. F them, they do not define Penn State, and IMO Joe would not have wanted them to have done the harm to the school they have through folks abandoning support, even if it was done in an attemp to support him.
My family has attended Penn State for over 100 years. I was born into it, and will always take pride in it. What "We" are isn't about any individual or group. It's about honesty, integrity, doing what is right in the face of adversity. I naively like to think that's who "We Are" and why we're proud. Some are upset about what was done to Paterno, and I'm with them. But there are hundreds of thousands of us embodying what I described, and I'm certainly not about to let some small group comprising the 2011 BOT dictate how I should feel about or support the school my family attended since before they were born. F them, they do not define Penn State, and IMO Joe would not have wanted them to have done the harm to the school they have through folks abandoning support, even if it was done in an attemp to support him.
The German people have have more than bent over backwards to try and atone for what happened in Nazi past.
What has Penn State leadership done to try and address? Maintained expungement of Joe Paterno from the program.
And to add insult to injury, the things that Joe held dear: academics, playing the game with respect and dignity, and playing to win - all have plummeted.
What has Penn State leadership done to try and address? Maintained expungement of Joe Paterno from the program.
And to add insult to injury, the things that Joe held dear: academics, playing the game with respect and dignity, and playing to win - all have plummeted.
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Those evil doers need to be purged from association with the University. Only then can those majority of good people unite.
We are hundreds of thousands. If absolute purity is required, or you think it ever existed, then you can give up.
I agree, Joe would have been uncomfortable, but his concept of student athletes and his unwavering strive for building young men and their values learned through the discipline of football was unique. "losing a game is heartbreaking, losing your sense of excellence or worth is a tragedy". I will always love the man and his values. Truly " the coach from Byzantium"
We are disgusted and ashamed of our coniving and self serving BoT.
Well if they f*cked you it would be incest.Usually, my family tells me to go f*ck myself.
Agreed.... I don't have the anger I once had for the media and BOT for the way they treated Joe and the alumni of PSU. BUT I haven't forgotten as well. In all honesty I have found better things to give money to and I don't live and die with each PSU game like I used to when I was going to all the home games. Yes I still watch most of the games and maybe someday will return to take in a game. I would love that game to be when renovations are done and the official naming of Paterno Field, I don't hold out much hope for that. I agree the attacks by both sides need to stop. The newer graduates don't know much about Joe and have moved on like the BOT prayed they would do. The older graduates many still harbor bad feelings toward PSU for not righting the wrongs especially when the university is looking back in hindsight. PSU will continue to go on with or without a large group helping fund the university. Each has to make their own decisions on how to go on after all this and respect others decisions if they are different than their own.
Go sit in a dark corner and worship your hero, cult member.
The tragically funniest hypocrisy from cult members is how one man is built up to be capable of nearly godly things ... I mean, the guy single-handedly built a football program from scratch AND turned a university from nothing, into a world-class institution for higher learning. What power that guy wielded, amirite? He wasn't just some football coach, but a melder of men, whose impact went well beyond the confines of the gridiron. He went above and beyond, and his reach was unlimited. He turned knuckle-dragging future deviants into gentlemen and scholars.
Then you bring up that maybe he was responsible for doing more than just shooting a message up the chain of command because of his power, influence and standing and suddenly it's ... I mean, jeez ... he was just a football coach, and that wasn't in his purview ... how's he supposed to get involved in the lives of others like that? Why, he was so sheltered, he never even heard of such things existing ... how could he deal with them when he never even heard of them, growing up as an Italian football player in Brooklyn, and then being in the Army, where no one talks about crass stuff like that? He did the bare minimum and that should be good enough!
No matter the cult, the hypocrisy is always off the charts. Brainwashing is a terrible thing.
Why not be normal? Why deify and then harbor hate? Why not just hold on to your fond memories of JoePa, PSU football in whatever era was your preferred era, and also continue to support the education of future generations at the institution which provided you with these memories, so that they may be able to create their own fond memories ... which don't have to mirror yours (and, hopefully they don't)?
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Whether I’m right or wrong, Joe was the victim of people who used the situation to unfairly hurt him for their own gain, and they hurt the university and alumni too. The removal of the statue reminds me of it. The statue symbolizes all of the bad that some people did. It is a very emotional thing. Not that it matters but I’m very happy with PSU football now and the fact that most people involved in the bad stuff are gone. We’ve got a coach who is working to make PSU great. We’ve got an AD and President who want the same. Hopefully the president can try to restore the academic standing of the university. Things feel positive now and I like it. But when the treatment of Joe is brought up, I cant help but think of all the bad that some did for personal reasons. I never want to go through it again.
I don't care about it one way or the other- an admission that they were wrong would suit -and shock- me.
We're never going to see or hear from those despicable human beings again. They used Joe, Tim etc. As a fire wall to protect their own asses and sucked up to One Term Tommy to promote their corporate agendas. They all had **** stains in their undies whenever Franco came within 25 yards of them. Sweaty Surma, Karen with flies on her, Tsar Ira the Terrible, Spuds Masser, Judas, and let's never forget Ken Frazier...Who earned his spurs screwing over Vioxx victims and their surviving family members. Truly a ship of fools.
Also Paul "We Retired Him Three Weeks Early" Suhey.
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I'm bitter and damn proud to hate those scumbags.
I graduated in 1995 and refused to let my daughter apply even though they have a good Forensic Science program. For me it started when the school created not one, but three scholarships in George Floyd's name. I understood what their intent was, but there had to be a better person that they could have named the scholarships after. Floyd did not deserve to die, but he was also a career criminal with no ties to PSU. That was the point that I realized that my values did not align with PSU's. Then there is the cost factor. My daughter is getting her degree in Forensic Science for a 1/6th of the cost to attend PSU. In no way is PSU's degree worth as much as they charge for out of state students.
Very nice post....problem one is the numerous attacks I have been subjected to usually ending in go away.....so I have. BWI allowed such verbiage so I do not subscribe any longer and I only give towards NIL, Thon, and our local chapter. The BOT is who they are...with very little change since 1980.
So often I hear people say Joe wouldn't want it....which is irrelevant. Making a tribute to someone is about others expressing gratitude to the individual...and a Thank You to the family for supporting and allowing the individuals accomplishment. I do not know for certain but I doubt George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, nor Abraham Lincoln asked to be memorialized on Mt. Rushmore. I do admit I am perplexed as to why so many PSU Alumni have such harsh feelings toward Joe....maybe they do not know all he did and accomplished for Penn State.
I'd categorize those that have "such harsh feelings toward Joe" as a very small minority, not "so many PSU Alumni".
Making donations to NIL, THON, and your local chapter are commendable. THON is a very noble donation. I was taken aback by a few in here last year that said they no longer donate to THON because of the BOT, which boggles my mind at the logic. I can’t speak for anyone, but myself. I have no harsh feelings toward Joe. Quite the contrary. Joe was a great educator and motivator. A fantastic coach and a fantastic role model for young men. He was one of a kind and is a legend because of as many things off the field as he was on the field. My only complaint towards Joe was that he stayed too long. I was, like many, of the mindset that he earned the right to leave when he saw fit. Unfortunately, I don’t think he was able to recognize when it was time to step away. Further, this inability to recognize that bit him royally. My frustration is with those that are still holding on to a grudge 14 years later. Some, so much so, that they criticize EVERTHING PSU. The school, the BOT, the president, the professors, tuition, new hires, stadium renovations, Franklin, the players, new development in town, etc. It’s tiresome and some do it on a daily basis. I can’t comprehend that logic and I also can’t comprehend coming here on a routine basis to profess it. I would imagine none of you care how I feel, so I wouldn’t throw my anger out to you on a specific subject. Now, I also recognize some do it to stir up the mob mentality. I get it, I just don’t think doing that here accomplishes anything other than more frustration. To each his own. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I hope those that have a negative attitude on all things PSU can find something more enjoyable to spend their time on.
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Maybe the younger fanbase will be better than the older fanbase and rise above it to help the university and football program climb to greater heights. The older fanbase can continue to refuse to donate money as well as continue to ***** about Franklin and the lack of an elite football program…yeah, that’s about right.
I'm part of the older fanbase and a Franklin defender. It's not just about football.
Guy who worships a football coach, and is so disgusted by this football coach's mistreatment that he entirely abandoned the university at which this football coach coached football, but he still supports that university's football team ... says it's "not just about football."
Holy hell.
Ok. So, then, wouldn’t the ultimate F U to the old guard, NCAA, Freeh, etc. be success across the board for all things PSU?
No. Joe's dead and long buried. I've made my peace with it, as much as I can. It's the original mistreatment of alumni and fans--that's still ongoing, as the Alumni Association and the BOT continues to become more and more insular and less and less democratic, only wanting "people like them". That's why.
Ah. Ok. So, you don’t want success for PSU because you’re holding a grudge. Pretty much why you started this unprovoked, meaningless conversation on a random day in February.
It wasn't, but think what you will. Everyone has their own opinion- which is the actual reason for the thread