College FB coaching carousel 2023
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If Manny is going to take a second HC position, I think he could probably get a more attractive position than Duke. Duke is a decent job for an up and comer, not necessarily a guy looking for a second shot to be a HC. Just my opinion.
Agree wholeheartedly. There are certain programs that I don’t feel have the resources to provide a HC and their program a chance to be successful. Both of those programs fall in that category to me.
Duke was Elko’s first HC opportunity. Diaz would be looking for his second opportunity to be a successful HC. In my opinion, taking a chance on a job like Duke and hoping you are really successful the second time around as a HC is a big gamble. If you take that job and aren’t successful your second time as a HC, the chances for a better job slowly fades away.
Sources: Syracuse targets UGA's Brown in search
Syracuse is targeting Georgia defensive assistant Fran Brown, 41, who has held similar roles at Rutgers, Temple and Baylor and is a New Jersey native with extensive Northeast ties, for its head-coaching vacancy, sources told ESPN on Monday night.
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Interesting choice if it materializes. Brown is a terrific recruiter, very well regarded among NJ HS coaches. Can he make the transition from a position coach to HC? He will have his work cut out for him. It's Syracuse.Sources: Syracuse targets UGA's Brown in search
Syracuse is targeting Georgia defensive assistant Fran Brown, 41, who has held similar roles at Rutgers, Temple and Baylor and is a New Jersey native with extensive Northeast ties, for its head-coaching vacancy, sources told ESPN on Monday night.
More than that.
When Diaz was fired at Miami, the Hurricanes had to pay him $4 Million per year for the next two years (2022 and 2023) - to not be their coach. That was offset by whatever he would earn on another coaching gig - so if PSU was paying him, let's say, $1 Million, he got $1 Million from PSU and $3 Million from Miami - each year 2022 and 2023.
Of course, if PSU Administration had an ounce of sense, they would have set up a low-ball contract (probably couldn't pay him $1 per year or something like that, or Miami would have cried FOUL). But it should have been the lowest amount possible (within reason) on Diaz's pay from PSU, since it would all total up to $4 Million for Diaz regardless.
No reason for it to be as much as $1 Million from PSU - at the absiolute tops. But we all know how the ship is steered at PSU
In any event, that is why is was considered a fait accompli (by anyone paying attention) that Diaz would either not do well at PSU, or - if he did do well enough to attract Head Coaching gigs - he would be gone after 2023.
Diaz has been making $4-5 Million per year ever since he took the HC job at Miami, and through his time at PSU.
If someone wants to give him another shot at a P5 HC job, in today's market it will be at $5 Million+
CJF, I expect, will want PSU admin to pony up whatever other schools might pay Diaz as a HC, in order to keep him as a DC - which, of course, would be both insane and fiscally imprudent (even if Diaz were willing to take the same pay to be a DC as opposed to a HC job - which is possible, but unusual, given that ego and the desire to be the HMFIC usually takes the day).
Especially if CJF comes-a-asking for another wheelbarrow full of cash for a new OC as well.
So that is where it is. The first step that needs to be determined is, obviously "Does any other program want to take another shot with Diaz as a HC?". We will probably find out within the next few weeks. The way things ended at Miami (and a few other stops before that) won't help - but his time at PSU may be giving him enough glitter to get an offer. Time will tell.
When he was at Rutgers they claimed he was a World class recruiter. Now if he goes to Syracuse (and there are significant issues) they say he won’t be able to recruit because of the cold weather. I think the 18 year olds he’s recruiting view it as opportunity to play football, most aren’t seeking a warm weather retirement community.
So, we want (no- we DEMAND) a perfect product on the field and top notch coaching, but we should low ball known entity top notch coaches? I don’t think that scenario will play out well in the current college football landscape.More than that.
When Diaz was fired at Miami, the Hurricanes had to pay him $4 Million per year for the next two years (2022 and 2023) - to not be their coach. That was offset by whatever he would earn on another coaching gig - so if PSU was paying him, let's say, $1 Million, he got $1 Million from PSU and $3 Million from Miami - each year 2022 and 2023.
Of course, if PSU Administration had an ounce of sense, they would have set up a low-ball contract (probably couldn't pay him $1 per year or something like that, or Miami would have cried FOUL). But it should have been the lowest amount possible (within reason) on Diaz's pay from PSU, since it would all total up to $4 Million for Diaz regardless.
No reason for it to be as much as $1 Million from PSU - at the absiolute tops. But we all know how the ship is steered at PSU
In any event, that is why is was considered a fait accompli (by anyone paying attention) that Diaz would either not do well at PSU, or - if he did do well enough to attract Head Coaching gigs - he would be gone after 2023.
Diaz has been making $4-5 Million per year ever since he took the HC job at Miami, and through his time at PSU.
If someone wants to give him another shot at a P5 HC job, in today's market it will be at $5 Million+
CJF, I expect, will want PSU admin to pony up whatever other schools might pay Diaz as a HC, in order to keep him as a DC - which, of course, would be both insane and fiscally imprudent (even if Diaz were willing to take the same pay to be a DC as opposed to a HC job - which is possible, but unusual, given that ego and the desire to be the HMFIC usually takes the day).
Especially if CJF comes-a-asking for another wheelbarrow full of cash for a new OC as well.
So that is where it is. The first step that needs to be determined is, obviously "Does any other program want to take another shot with Diaz as a HC?". We will probably find out within the next few weeks. The way things ended at Miami (and a few other stops before that) won't help - but his time at PSU may be giving him enough glitter to get an offer. Time will tell.
All things considered, Rutgers is a hell of a lot more attractive option than Syracuse - for a lot of reasons, and a lot more important reasons, than the weather,
(Of course, Syracuse is a hell of a lot less attractive climate in the winter - than is Rutgers - as well. But that is probably not even in the top 20 of the list of reasons Syracuse is less attractive is a destination for D1 Football coaching/playing talent)
I’m not disagreeing with you, just pointing out that weather conditions are an odd thing to stake your argument on when discussing recruiting prowess.
First, don't shoot the messenger.
Second, Elko just parlayed they Duke job into $7mil per year at TAM.
I think Manny is not far enough removed from a pretty subpar performance at Miami to warrant attention from a top15 type program. He has proven to be a great coordinator ,but I believe he needs to prove himself as as great HC somewhere before the big boys come calling.
No messenger shooting here. Just conversation. You make good points.
More than that.
When Diaz was fired at Miami, the Hurricanes had to pay him $4 Million per year for the next two years (2022 and 2023) - to not be their coach. That was offset by whatever he would earn on another coaching gig - so if PSU was paying him, let's say, $1 Million, he got $1 Million from PSU and $3 Million from Miami - each year 2022 and 2023.
Of course, if PSU Administration had an ounce of sense, they would have set up a low-ball contract (probably couldn't pay him $1 per year or something like that, or Miami would have cried FOUL). But it should have been the lowest amount possible (within reason) on Diaz's pay from PSU, since it would all total up to $4 Million for Diaz regardless.
No reason for it to be as much as $1 Million from PSU - at the absiolute tops. But we all know how the ship is steered at PSU
In any event, that is why is was considered a fait accompli (by anyone paying attention) that Diaz would either not do well at PSU, or - if he did do well enough to attract Head Coaching gigs - he would be gone after 2023.
Diaz has been making $4-5 Million per year ever since he took the HC job at Miami, and through his time at PSU.
If someone wants to give him another shot at a P5 HC job, in today's market it will be at $5 Million+
CJF, I expect, will want PSU admin to pony up whatever other schools might pay Diaz as a HC, in order to keep him as a DC - which, of course, would be both insane and fiscally imprudent (even if Diaz were willing to take the same pay to be a DC as opposed to a HC job - which is possible, but unusual, given that ego and the desire to be the HMFIC usually takes the day).
Especially if CJF comes-a-asking for another wheelbarrow full of cash for a new OC as well.
So that is where it is. The first step that needs to be determined is, obviously "Does any other program want to take another shot with Diaz as a HC?". We will probably find out within the next few weeks. The way things ended at Miami (and a few other stops before that) won't help - but his time at PSU may be giving him enough glitter to get an offer. Time will tell.
I’m not concerned. It will all work out because Franklin is
Maybe he will realize that he really loves being a coordinator and should stick with a good thing (I can dream right?)!
I agree with the second comment regarding Manny. But he wasn’t a flop at Miami. He was I believe 21 and 16, not great, but I’ve seen worse. He was axed at Miami mainly because influential boosters were in love with Cristobal. Once he said he was interested Manny was as good as gone even with a better record. Christobal is presently 12 and 12 with a $10 million dollar salary, money well spent?
21-15 at Miami, but he finished 7-5 which didn't help. Yeah, not a flop, but I think subpar is apt.
Cristobal was a mistake imo. How do you lose a game at Oregon (vs Stanford) by not taking a knee and then make the same exact mistake years later at Miami.
Another possibility for Manny is Miss St. He coached there twice.
Yes, Tom, you are correct. They loved Cristobal and Manny was collateral damage. They don’t seem any better off now.
I'm not sure what "beyond my reproach" means. But, if you're marking your territory as a fan....and reserve the right to ***** and moan about the choice for OC, have a ball. You'll be among 80% of the experts here who think they know better than Franklin and have never met any of the main characters involved.
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Miss St already hired some guy named Lebby from Ok. So it might get a bit crowded in the head coaches office if Manny shows up. (Not busting your balls since you obviously weren’t aware. Just I couldn’t let the joke go unused).
Ah, I missed that. I know Lebby was one of the hot names.
He coached at Oklahoma.
If he had coached at Nebraska, he would gave been known as "Lebby from Nebby". But alas......
I always reserve my right to complain where I feel it’s justified. You do too, hence the attacks on anyone who doesn’t worship at the altar of St James Franklin.
If James hires Matt Canada, will you have no criticism to offer? What if it’s John Donovan? What if he rehired Yurcich? Nothing?
Letting fans and boosters influence hiring decisions for coaches is a sure way to get a losing experience.
Sorry, I have a life. I don't sit around thinking of all the things Franklin might do so I can criticize him. I do know that his decision will be met with bitching and moaning by the peanut gallery.
Bobby petrino coming back to Arkansas as OC. Quite a redemption arc lol. Just win baby
Petrino back to Arkansas as OC...........now I've seen everything!
Don't know who "they" are. He'll have difficulty recruiting at Syracuse because it's Syracuse and all that goes with it. weather being a part of it, though not the largest. Not sure he'll get the kind of resources ($$) that he's used to.
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